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How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by factcheck1234 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #64
lazyeye wrote: post #19

I remember watching recently a discussion on CNN about how Virginia voters were white supremacists because the CNN-preferred candidate had lost the state election. Note: These would be the same voters that voted for Obama in previous elections. The media is garbage, pure and simple.

I am not educated enough about Virginia candidates to weigh in on the truth of if he is a white supremacist. I can say that your logic is garbage. The governor got fewer votes in Virginia than either McCain or Romney did when they ran against Obama. It's possible that everyone who voted in the gubernatorial race voted for the candidate of the same party in every presidential election going back at least that far.

No, the issue in Virginia has to do with Asian students being discriminated against by schools like Thomas Jefferson High because they are overrepresented at these prestigious schools.

Democrat educators tried to introduce racial quotas to increase the number of non Asian students and the national media called any resistance to those quotas white supremacy

This became a whole controversy and then the pandemic took place and parents started to realize these racist ideas were also being taught in the curricula, and the Democrat candidate committed political seppuku by telling parents they had no right to decide what the curriculum is

That's why Glenn Youngkin is governor

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by factcheck1234 »

lazyeye wrote: post #28
th0ma5 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the winning candidate is a white supremacist, then it is perfectly reasonable to prefer a different candidate, and wonder if those votes may also be white supremacists as an election is a reflection of the population, and often people that agree with these ideas were also voters for Obama, yes.

Was the winning candidate a white supremacist?

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by omilu »

PaywallBuster wrote: post #38
GlassKingdom wrote: post #34

Some of the opinion pieces on CNN and MSNBC (Maddow etc) are basically left-wing version of Qanon. Whilst FoxNews gets rightly criticized when voicing such nonsense, the more liberal channels get a free pass. It’s wildly divisive and has severely damaged society over the last 5 years. But CNN and MSNBC got their ad-clicks, which I guess is the important thing.

in a way, Fox news is honest news. They were created (and everyone knows) to report from a "point of view" of the right. The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.

>>The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.

see r/politics

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by somenameforme »

ComradePhil wrote: post #14

Somehow people seem to believe that media became worse over time. No, that didn't happen. It's just that people found out exactly how the media works because they had access to the source material. I remember the Trump election cycle when they kept coming up with "the beginning of the end" for Trump by mis-reporting what he said in rallies, debates, speeches... only to find out that the supporters kept growing... bec…

"To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful, I should answer ‘by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.’ yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. it is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it’s benefits, than is done by it’s abandoned prostitution to falsehood.

nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. the real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knolege with the lies of the day.

I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers, live & die in the belief that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time: whereas the accounts they have read in newspapers are just as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present, except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables.

general facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has subjected a great portion of Europe to his will &c &c. but no details can be relied on. I will add that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. he who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false."

- Thomas Jefferson, 1807 [1]

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His words may correspond to your own, but the fact that such views were generally widespread contradicts them. I think what has happened is modern times is not that the media becoming worse than ever, but rather that for some very brief window in time we actually had a media with integrity and ethics, even if completely serendipitously. So all we're doing is, seemingly like many things in modern society, is simply returning to how things were for nearly all of society's existence.

[1] - https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/99-01-02-5...

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by HWR_14 »

bogantech wrote: post #41
gman83 wrote: post #16

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Yeah people act like the media is a wing of the Democratic party, but there's no way Trump is getting elected in 2016 without their free wall-to-wall coverage of him.

Trump was a pied piper candidate. They all thought there was no way he would win the Election - he was supposed to make people not vote republican

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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roenxi wrote: post #51
jacquesm wrote: post #49

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And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by choko »

RobertMiller wrote: post #18

Cable news is a waste. Anything worth hearing about will be written up by a newspaper. And with newspapers now having websites, cable news doesn't even have an immediacy advantage. The only thing cable news can do better than newspapers is show you live footage of something happening, but that's good for little but gawking at. And if you really must get CNN's take on things, https://lite.cnn.com/en is much better tha…

Local news isn't much better. Most of the outlets are owned by the same people.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by mardifoufs »

jacquesm wrote: post #70
mardifoufs wrote: post #67

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He pushed for sanctions against Nordstream 2 and did pretty much everything to stop the pipeline from opening. Does that help strengthen russia?

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I don't think that's true, he kept putting the emphasis the fact that a pipeline would mean Germany financing putin and his regime, so it needed to be blocked. Sure, there is absolutely an element of gaining leverage on Europe but that's still a pretty counterproductive thing to do if he was a russian asset. Pushing for more military spending in NATO, especially to defend eastern Europe would also have been very weird if he was putin's puppet.

You can definitely think that the real reasons were different but that's just speculation. What matters are the results, and I'd say that blocking nordstream and pushing for more NATO spending is exactly the opposite of anything putin would've wanted from a puppet. Otherwise imo you'd really need to stretch the truth to conclude those were just a side effect of other trump's policies when he repeatedly insisted that it was to counter russia.

(Putin wouldve probably have wanted the US president to not want any leverage on the EU and let them just be because the western euro countries sure weren't interested in anything related to European defense anyways.)

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by anamax »

HWR_14 wrote: post #65
usednet wrote: post #44

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All news pretends to be real factual news. When has Fox ever delegitimized their own journalism?

> When has Fox ever delegitimized their own journalism? In court. When their anchors get sued for slander.

When did Rachael Maddow join Fox?

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/568213-oan-loses-appeal-i...

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by jacquesm »

mardifoufs wrote: post #78
jacquesm wrote: post #70

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I don't think that's true, he kept putting the emphasis the fact that a pipeline would mean Germany financing putin and his regime, so it needed to be blocked. Sure, there is absolutely an element of gaining leverage on Europe but that's still a pretty counterproductive thing to do if he was a russian asset. Pushing for more military spending in NATO, especially to defend eastern Europe would also have been very weir…

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