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Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by calculatte »

lostcolony wrote: post #7
99_00 wrote: post #4

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If only someone was there, able to take pictures and report on it! You know, like all the news organizations across the world. Or refugees were streaming out of the area with horror stories. And satellite pictures and spy planes showed Russian troop movements. And the tyrant of Russia even said he was sending troops into another sovereign country, while contextualizing it under an obviously false narrative (that woul…

Should we also tell them about all of the WMDs we found in Iraq that those same news organizations told us existed for sure? How many other false narratives do those "trusted" organizations need to tell before you stop trusting them?

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by thriftwy »

malka wrote: post #66
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

I doubt that FSB will intercept random calls from the USA.

First, there's got to be a lot of calls since a few million Russians live in the USA. Second, everybody is using Skype/WhatsApp anyway so whatever they manage to capture is mostly pure noise ("granny, can you repeat your Skype login letter by letter").

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by dzikimarian »

NoGravitas wrote: post #63
alkonaut wrote: post #56

Why aren't russians telling eachother? At least a fraction of russians read and trust trustworthy (international) news sources, but if their peers won't believe them, why would they believe me if I called them? Russia isn't North Korea. Yes there has been a tightening lately and all easily accessible media has been propaganda for a long time. But that doesn't mean any Russian can't - with some effort - consume a wide…

> Russians have a responsibility to protest the regime now, carrying the personal risk despite perhaps having little to no personal responsibility. Else they have the blood of Ukrainians on their hands. Back in 2003, Americans had a responsibility to protest the Bush regime. And hundreds of thousands of us did, but it didn't do a damn bit of good. We still have the blood of over one million Iraqis on our hands. Russi…

Well, both Putin and Bush started their terms roughly at the same time. I see only one of them ruling today. America is by no means perfect, but Russia is entirely different thing.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by nirui »

Phone call is sort term, high effort, and maybe even annoying to those pro-Russians.

Just a thought: I been viewing the evidences of Russian war crimes (photograph, video) that people posted on Twitter since the very beginning of the invasion. A lot's of them are real and fact-checked.

Maybe it could be a good idea to setup some sort of online and physical memorial to show the timelines of how each single innocent people lost their life in the invasion, completely neutrally and uncensored, only tell the story, no decoration.

My rational is this: it is just impossible to convert the entire Russian population to be peace-loving, let's just face it, it won't happen as long as the regime needs brainless tools. But for the curious ones who really wants to understand, the memorial can plant the seed in their head. Every 0.0000001% counts.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by Etherlord87 »

CogitoCogito wrote: post #36
josephwegner wrote: post #12

I would probably advise against doing this. There have been rumors of Russian police looking through citizen's phones for indications that they are engaging with western viewpoints on the "special operation". And the penalty for such activities is quite high right now. A random phone call from a U.S. citizen might look suspicious, and I don't imagine Russian police are giving much benefit of the doubt right now.

I also kind of wonder how effective it would be. Put yourself in their shoes. What if you received a random phone call from someone claiming that all the media coverage of the war in Ukraine is actually fake and that there is no war at all and it’s all a peace keeping in response to Ukrainian atrocities. Would you believe it? Given what I’ve seen in the news, I’d just write the person off as crazy personally. I’d exp…

I would listen to the person's arguments and say what I don't like about those arguments.

I find the symmetrism you represent ridiculous.

How do we know the Earth isn't flat? Maybe flat-earthers are right? How do we know if santa claus exist? Well, we gather data and apply reasoning to that data...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by josephwegner »

w_t_payne wrote: post #47
josephwegner wrote: post #12

I would probably advise against doing this. There have been rumors of Russian police looking through citizen's phones for indications that they are engaging with western viewpoints on the "special operation". And the penalty for such activities is quite high right now. A random phone call from a U.S. citizen might look suspicious, and I don't imagine Russian police are giving much benefit of the doubt right now.

We can allow fear to turn us all into slaves, or we can take simple acts like this to defend our freedom. Acting together, we can reach out to hundreds of thousands of individuals. The Russian police cannot arrest all who are contacted, and even if they try, all of that time, money and manpower that they pour into policing is time, money and manpower that is taken away from brutalizing people in Ukraine. So even if s…

I don't think you get to decide for someone else that they should be proud to be in prison.

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by m00dy »

tpoacher wrote: post #41
tpoacher wrote: post #30

What a silly plan. Consider the reverse situation. You are a US citizen, and your phone randomly rings. On the other line, there is a guy speaking English with a heavy russian accent: "Hello. I call from Russia. This website I find ask me to call and inform you of real happenings in Ukraine. Your media full of lies. Trust me. Look. I have pen." Yeah I can totally see Americans taking up arms against their government…

PS. For anyone not getting the 'I have pen' quote, it's a reference to this internet classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o8XMlL8rqY :)

I didn't know about it :) thanks

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by malka »

WinterMount223 wrote: post #70
malka wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is not to convince them. The point is to: * create noise in the telephone logbook to annoy the FSB. * create distrust toward the FSB. This would be the result of people getting arrested for receiving phone calls from the US.

Are you okay with getting individuals possibly arrested in the name of a purported common good? You are no better than the FSB itself then.

We are at war.

> You are no better than the FSB itself then.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by avh02 »

ffhhj wrote: post #17
avh02 wrote: post #13

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just make sure to tell them to delete the call from their call history.

That would make it seem more suspicious! Phone company logs, remember?

On the spot, at a checkpoint? I mean it's obviously possible but is it likely to happen on random inspection? (Serious question, I don't know in Russia, definitely not in other places)

Re: If you speak Russian, call Russia and tell them what is happening in Ukraine

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Post by pydry »

zelon88 wrote: post #57
bombcar wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a wonderful way to make some poor Russian have to explain to the FSB why he got calls from the United States. Or maybe they don't even bother asking and just gulag him.

Well then maybe his friends and family left behind will find the motivation to take action against their shadowy oppressors.

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