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Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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That's a great read. What's striking, in his description of the conference, is the total lack of any connection to real world activity. None of these people seem to be trying to get enough Bitcoin together to build a steel mill or a wafer fab or a smartphone factory or, indeed, any kind of startup that does something. Bitcoin is expected to somehow generate wealth without actually doing anything that generates revenu…

As it turns out, moving money from one group to another† is pretty useful in modern society. It's really all that money is good for, after all. Some of my comments from the last week and a half about what Bitcoin is good for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30469595 when your country's central bank suspends electronic cash transfers, suspends the foreign exchange market, limits cash withdrawals, and prohibits th…

I find you utterly un-compelling.

And I say that as someone who has literally spent hundreds of bitcoin at one of the ONLY points in bitcoin's history when it was primarily used as a genuine medium of exchange (silk road).

Simple example - show me a method of handling reconciliation of fraud/contract dispute for bitcoin that doesn't fall back on the legal systems of those government systems you're so happy to rail against. (hint - there is NONE).

You know what those governments absolutely won't do? Incur costs upon themselves to mediate exchanges in a foreign currency. They will either ban it (china) or add back all those things you seem to think bitcoin will solve (funds freezing, required intermediaries, identity & reporting, sanctions) that make those costs predictable and acceptable (us).

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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Well we are approaching half of americans having a chronic disease and a large part of that is from what we eat along with lack of exercise. it does seem like we have a degradation of the nutrients in our food supply as well. https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-...

"Times were better when we didn't have enough to eat, curse this surplus and our lack of self control!" Strange to see such paternalism about people making unhealthy dietary choices from a crowd I mostly associate with libertarian thinking.

I don't think libertarians believe that government subsidy leading to monocropping is inline with their way of thinking.

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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> In The Bitcoin Standard, Ammous blamed the Fed for the modern “breakdown of the family,” and for “perhaps most damagingly, the depletion of the soil of its nutrients, leading to ever-lower levels of nutrients in food.” He compared the art of the Renaissance, Classical, and Romantic periods, all financed properly with sound money, to the decadent culture of the twenty-first century, with its “animalistic noises’’ an…

Anyone who is very serious about strong lines between "fancy" art and "low-class" art can be safely dismissed as an idiot. It takes only the tiniest bit of historical knowledge to understand that these things frequently, and frequently-rapidly evolve, usually from "low-class" to "fancy." See e.g. theatre, jazz, etc.

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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As it turns out, moving money from one group to another† is pretty useful in modern society. It's really all that money is good for, after all. Some of my comments from the last week and a half about what Bitcoin is good for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30469595 when your country's central bank suspends electronic cash transfers, suspends the foreign exchange market, limits cash withdrawals, and prohibits th…

I find you utterly un-compelling. And I say that as someone who has literally spent hundreds of bitcoin at one of the ONLY points in bitcoin's history when it was primarily used as a genuine medium of exchange (silk road). Simple example - show me a method of handling reconciliation of fraud/contract dispute for bitcoin that doesn't fall back on the legal systems of those government systems you're so happy to rail ag…

What do you mean only point in it's history? I agree that bitcoin is mostly good for drugs but it's still being used for that as we speak. Some markets are starting to only take Monero, sure, but you can still get around with just BTC. Silk road wasn't the last dn market or even the best, not even close.

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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As it turns out, moving money from one group to another† is pretty useful in modern society. It's really all that money is good for, after all. Some of my comments from the last week and a half about what Bitcoin is good for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30469595 when your country's central bank suspends electronic cash transfers, suspends the foreign exchange market, limits cash withdrawals, and prohibits th…

Money is the flow of utility (1st derivative). Flow of money is 2nd derivative. The uses you indicate are probably 10% of the use case, the remaining 90% is money laundering.

Why do you think that it is a 10-90 split like that? I think it's 90-10 the other way. I have no proof but it sounds like you don't either.

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If our crops don't have any nutrients, how exactly would our animal products have nutrients in them? I doubt he is eating wild caught animals for a majority of his nutrition - presumably just eating factory raised pigs and cows which are fed the same crops that he believes has no nutrients. I'll also bet that Ammous ends up with diverticulitis within 10 years if his description of his diet is correct.

Grass-fed animals unaffected. Easy to get if you actually look and are willing to support regenerative farms in order to obtain the best nutrition possible. I suggest researching into how animals turn grass into nutrients and the difference between crops for human consumption and grass.

Does the guy in OPs statement only eat grass-fed animals? Isn't the source of the grass important? If it is grown in a wild field, maybe it will have all its natural nutrients. But if it is grown as a crop, or on a field under repeated heavy grazing, isn't that just as bad as what is happening to the human crops?

Also, if the guy is going out of his way to only eat the best, most expensive beef, because corn-fed beef is actually bad, why doesn't he do the same thing for fruits and vegetables? You can get "wild grown" vegetables just like you can get wild grazed beef. It just costs more.

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Generally when "[economic] sanctions or similar are in place against you" it's because the people who imposed the sanctions are physically unable to jail you. Or beat you with a wrench. The tech doesn't change the policy or the law, but it does change their consequences in the real world. Fortunately it is not yet the case that the US shells every country whose citizens do business with entities it imposes sanctions…

> What's your source for "Russia is exploring crypto for transfers if they get knocked off of SWIFT"? I assume you mean cryptocurrencies of some kind, because obviously SWIFT, СПФС, and CIPS all use cryptography, so that would be too obvious to mention. Right now I think Bitcoin is the only cryptocurrency with enough trading volume to handle Russia's foreign exchange needs. EDIT: If you're looking for a press release…

Russia doesn't need to resort to Bitcoin, when they can easily use their own SWIFT alternative or China's. China is conveniently friendly with Russia these days, is rapidly expanding CIPS, and would likely welcome the chance to expand it even more.

The existence of these alternatives is one reason Russia probably won't be banned from SWIFT in the first place.

Archive from The Economist: https://archive.is/CHiiI

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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I find you utterly un-compelling. And I say that as someone who has literally spent hundreds of bitcoin at one of the ONLY points in bitcoin's history when it was primarily used as a genuine medium of exchange (silk road). Simple example - show me a method of handling reconciliation of fraud/contract dispute for bitcoin that doesn't fall back on the legal systems of those government systems you're so happy to rail ag…

What do you mean only point in it's history? I agree that bitcoin is mostly good for drugs but it's still being used for that as we speak. Some markets are starting to only take Monero, sure, but you can still get around with just BTC. Silk road wasn't the last dn market or even the best, not even close.

The primary use is now speculation - full stop.

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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Degradation of food? Housing? Do you know what people ate when Bach was alive? Or in what conditions most people lived?

Well we are approaching half of americans having a chronic disease and a large part of that is from what we eat along with lack of exercise. it does seem like we have a degradation of the nutrients in our food supply as well. https://www.fightchronicdisease.org/sites/default/files/docs... https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/vanishing-...

There has never been a time in human history where a smaller percentage of the population faced starvation. Actual wars were fought over access to spices I can buy for three dollars at the supermarket.

Small changes in per-unit micronutrient quantities are not the cause of modern obesity. If you do want to make some claim that worldwide nutrition was better at some point in the past, that point was definitely not when Bach was alive.

Re: Cryptonomicon: Among the Bitcoin maximalists

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That's a great read. What's striking, in his description of the conference, is the total lack of any connection to real world activity. None of these people seem to be trying to get enough Bitcoin together to build a steel mill or a wafer fab or a smartphone factory or, indeed, any kind of startup that does something. Bitcoin is expected to somehow generate wealth without actually doing anything that generates revenu…

"Bitcoin Donations To Ukrainian Army Surpass $4 Million"

https://archive.is/9YTVe

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