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Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by tgv »

chloerei wrote: post #59

As a Chinese, I think the logic of certain Western countries is ridiculous. Because Xinjiang’s human rights situation is considered to be problematic, so Xinjiang’s companies are banned. As an analogy, can I think that the human rights situation of African Americans is terrible, so I need to ban companies that employ African Americans? These bans will only make the living conditions of minorities worse, because they…

You've earned your social credits for today. Pray that they will be of value when someone speaks out against you or your group.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by jedimind »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #65
yorwba wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I'm most angry that Intel refuses to properly audit their suppliers. They're not actually banned from importing goods from Xinjiang if they can prove that they weren't made with forced labor. If they could prove that, the US government should be happy (because their stated goal of combating forced labor is respected) and Chinese people should be happy, too (better working conditions). Merely restricting s…

I don't think it's that simple. For example BCI performed multiple audits since 2012 and hasn't found a single case of forced labor.[1][2] Despite that, they've pulled back from Xinjiang. Companies don't want to deal with Xinjiang just so they can avoid controversies, regardless of actual facts. Also, the Xinjiang Forced Labor Prevention Act is based on the maxim of guilty-until-proven-innocent. There is no way to co…

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Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by chloerei »

yorwba wrote: post #54
FooBarWidget wrote: post #18

It's interesting to see that people on both sides are angry -- for different reasons. People on western Internet are angry at Intel for having issued an apology. People on Chinese Internet are angry because they view it as a non-apology, i.e. Intel still goes ahead with the ban. I see people -- including Chinese diaspora -- calling for banning Intel.

Personally, I'm most angry that Intel refuses to properly audit their suppliers. They're not actually banned from importing goods from Xinjiang if they can prove that they weren't made with forced labor. If they could prove that, the US government should be happy (because their stated goal of combating forced labor is respected) and Chinese people should be happy, too (better working conditions). Merely restricting s…

Skechers is a good example. They conducted multiple inspections and found no forced labor, so they maintained business dealings with Chinese suppliers.

https://about.skechers.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/SKECHE...

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by rfoo »

logicchains wrote: post #53
einpoklum wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Umm, with respect - it is the US anti-Chinese rhetoric that is changing, rather than Chinese government policy. There are many repressive aspects to the Chinese regime (and government specifically I suppose); but this is probably less the case today then, say, 30 years ago. Certainly I doubt very much repression has been tightened over the past few years. If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non…

>If I'm mistaken - please provide references, preferably to non-US-aligned media sources. Here's an official Chinese government source defending the use of labour/"re-education" camps in Xinjiang: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201903/19/WS5c9033f0a3106c65c... . In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

> In past the Chinese government didn't send large numbers of people to camps based on their ethnicity.

Before 2003 the Chinese government just randomly pull people off street and if they can't prove (i.e. by showing an ID card) they live in this city they go to a camp [1], and this happened everywhere.

Heck, even less than 20 years ago.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custody_and_repatriation

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by joshuajill »

Interestingly, small companies like FairPhone work to improve their suppliers' labor conditions.

Intel of all the companies is in a position to do the same or more. However they choose to whitewash their brand by blaming the chinese government of their lack of care. Their hypocrisy backfired, and they let China win on all counts.

Ironically they ended up helping whitewash the chinese government.

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by marderfarker2 »

zohch wrote: post #67
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

That there is any controversy in this statement is insane, but I would be very wary of ever making this statement non-anonymously, because I know I'm more likely than not to be cancelled for it. China has mastered the manipulation of the west's successor ideology better than those in the west that instituted it.

I’ve always thought it to be the reverse, since the west has the whole world at their disposal (in terms of audience and technology penetration)

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by FooBarWidget »

jedimind wrote: post #72
FooBarWidget wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's that simple. For example BCI performed multiple audits since 2012 and hasn't found a single case of forced labor.[1][2] Despite that, they've pulled back from Xinjiang. Companies don't want to deal with Xinjiang just so they can avoid controversies, regardless of actual facts. Also, the Xinjiang Forced Labor Prevention Act is based on the maxim of guilty-until-proven-innocent. There is no way to co…

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Right. Here, check this: https://apparelinsider.com/bci-shanghai-claims-audit-finding...

Just because people and outlets have a different opinion than you doesn't necessarily mean they're wrong, or "propagandists". Some people just have a different opinion, out of their own free will and independent thought, all right?

Re: Intel apologises in China over Xinjiang supplier statement

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Post by mxmilkiib »

joshuajill wrote: post #75
andy_ppp wrote: post #11

I think we should stop using China for cheap Labour in general given how hostile their government are becoming. Where possible I try to buy Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese electronics.

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Why not both?
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