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Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by mitigating »

windowshopping wrote: post #42
have_faith wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your advice based on this single interaction?

Well, I have two options going forward: 1. Despite my bad experience, recommend suicide hotlines in the hopes that they work even though they didn't for me. 2. Recommend against suicide hotlines while explaining why and cautioning that my experience may or may not be representative of the norm. I'm going with #2 for the time being, yes.

Recommending against anything because it didn't work for you isn't good, even with the disclaimer. Antidotal evidence is the worst.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by ebb-tide »

windowshopping wrote: post #42
have_faith wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your advice based on this single interaction?

Well, I have two options going forward: 1. Despite my bad experience, recommend suicide hotlines in the hopes that they work even though they didn't for me. 2. Recommend against suicide hotlines while explaining why and cautioning that my experience may or may not be representative of the norm. I'm going with #2 for the time being, yes.

3. Not post about something you have scant evidence one way or another about.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by AutumnCurtain »

windowshopping wrote: post #42
have_faith wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is your advice based on this single interaction?

Well, I have two options going forward: 1. Despite my bad experience, recommend suicide hotlines in the hopes that they work even though they didn't for me. 2. Recommend against suicide hotlines while explaining why and cautioning that my experience may or may not be representative of the norm. I'm going with #2 for the time being, yes.

3. Collect more meaningful data before offering recommendations?

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by SigmundA »

anonporridge wrote: post #48
micromacrofoot wrote: post #14

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There's an oft-used Lord of the Rings quote: “Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.” What is a broken person? since we're all fallible beings ourselves, who could possibly decide that someone is broken beyond repair? It doesn't matter if there's truth to it.

I think this is a bit of the wrong analogy. There's a big difference between judging someone unworthy of life and acting to kill them, and judging that someone is not worth the energy and struggle to fight against their own drive to throw themselves off a cliff. We're not collectively strong enough to save everyone. Getting strong enough is a goal to aspire to, but the dark reality is that in our state of weakness, w…

Never heard of "put them out of their misery"?

Not acting and letting them destroy themselves can be worse in many ways to them and others around them rather than "acting to kill them".

This is a hard truth, I am not advocated mercy killings but doing nothing to help them can be worse in many than doing something for all involved, which is why most advocate for doing something to help even is it seem futile, sometimes its as much for everyone else than the person receiving help.

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Post by muuglay »

huitzitziltzin wrote: post #33
AmericanChopper wrote: post #6

I can’t stand articles that start with “we need to talk about…”. What the author is really saying is “This topic is important to me, and I’d like to pressure you into having the same views on it as I do”. Regardless of the merit of those views, the only thing that ever comes after “we need to talk about…” is a description of some hardship the author (or somebody the author knows) faced, an explanation of how that sha…

That's a pretty harsh view. Let me try something else: the author notes that 6,000 people take their lives in the UK every year. That has a very substantial cost, potentially measurable in many ways, but let's measure it in dollars. The US EPA uses a value of about 7 million dollars for a statistical life in 2006 dollars [1], or about 10 million 2021 dollars [2]. The cost of suicide in the UK in the aggregate is some…

I'm not sure the 10 mil per life is correct. As a counter point value, a highway worker is $10,000.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by rubyist5eva »

As someone that was on medication that made me think about comitting suicide regularly, and I've learned to cope and overcome it somewhat...I thought I could read this...but this was like stepping into another reality where I was gone and this was about me. :S :S. and now I'm sitting at my desk bawling my eyes out...just wanting to hold my son and never let him go.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by gowld »

aerovistae wrote: post #35

Not a comment on the story itself, but rather on the postscript which follows it: > If you are struggling to cope or have been affected by anything in this story, please contact the Samaritans in the UK at 116 123 or jo@samaritans.org. In the US, the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline is 1-800-273-8255. More information at mind.org.uk, samaritans.org and save.org Years ago, unhappy but not suicidal, I decided to ca…

A suicide hotline is not a general mental health therapy. It was one function -- to prevent the caller from committing suicide in the immediate future. It was successful.

You can't test the effectiveness of a suicide prevention with a dry run. Fire drills don't put out fires either.

Also, you essentially admityed that you were making a false call. That's not going to get a great reply. You shouldn't call 911 to test response time either.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by jandrese »

decebalus1 wrote: post #56
micromacrofoot wrote: post #20

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There are a lot of mental health issues that make this level of self-awareness and future planning incredibly difficult.

Not even mental health. If this level of self-awareness/planning would be universal, we'd reach complete societal collapse within 3 generations.

Isn't this just the start of Idiocracy?

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by muuglay »

Suicide is a hard topic. My mom did it. I don't talk to my father. I might be autistic or have aspbergers, and I dont understand why I wake up. I'm a robot emulating a human. I have to do weed to grt any mystery of a cosmic connection because we are strange primates. I hate my job which causes a disease of more when even after excelling in a fang job making over seven figures, I feel very little joy. I just have hope that something will change. I'm going to retire soon. I hope I can find joy.

Re: Daddy isn’t coming back

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Post by bettysdiagnose »

podgaj wrote: post #40
BurningFrog wrote: post #19

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> The fact that I cannot get housing just proves no one cares. All it proves is that there is a big housing shortage. Have you tried taking your van somewhere where housing is dirt cheap? I hear small poor towns are better at taking care of the downtrodden too. Walk into the church poor people go to, and see what happens.

Housing shortage? Probably, but why? In a town I lived in for a bit 50% of the houses were second houses, i would drive around and see them all dark, sitting there empty. Her where I am now, the housing has been moved over to AirBNB. It is all greed. And go to a poor town? And not have healthcare, be away from my friends and support? But yes, I have tried it. They ask me what I do and when I say I am on disability th…

You're right, he doesn't. The idea that somehow it is sensible, when you're seriously ill, to just abandon your entire support network for financial reasons makes next to no sense whatsoever. Thank you for sharing your story and I wish you all the best.
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