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The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Microsoft actually offers Windows 10 for free, with some cosmetic restrictions until you pay for the license.

Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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We’re actively building the infrastructure to launch in additional countries. It’s a challenging logistical environment at the moment, but we very much built and certified the product to be broadly available, and we are reminded of the interest in that daily!

I'd like to give a huge shout out to nrp, founder of Framework, for being super active on the Framework community forum, here on HN and I assume in 10 other places, answering questions, helping with debugging issues down to nitty gritty technical details. For a founder, this is very unusual because there is an entire business to take care of and yet he finds time for all the above as well. Thanks Nirav.

They are also seemingly burning the midnight oil getting shipments out the door on time with no significant schedule delays. I have one on the way that was shipped out and picked up quite late in the night.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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There are no fanless CPUs among the options, and the consumptions are not explicit. The only battery mentioned is 55Wh. CPUs with the lowest consumption are (sorry for the obvious points) -- battery efficient, allow for more work per charge; -- silent, requiring no fan; -- often cheaper; -- still quite fast for normal use. So, I would not do without...

CPUs with higher power consumption are: - Irrelevant regarding battery life because I can get from my office to the conference room to my shop to my home and back to my office long before the battery dies even with hamstrung sleep states in modern processors; everywhere I work it's plugged in to a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and wall socket and I can't understand why you would use it otherwise. - Still quiet, because t…

We are discussing a modular laptop with hardware options. You would not work with James' options, others would - and he surely would.

> I can't understand why you would use it otherwise

Clearly you don't. But some do use it otherwise. There are no power outlets from where I am writing these very words.

> the large heatsink is able to cool it while doing little work

So the fans are normally off? Are they on only after minutes of heavy load?

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit ?

It’s ‘possible’ maybe unlikely at 3€ However there is a license recycling market that buy up unused or reassignable licenses from say software shops that have gone under and still have 100 visual studio licenses etc

Yes, i want to go legit by paying pirates for, checks notes, buying grey market license keys that could be disabled at any moment

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Actually you can at least disable Intel ME, but you can do nothing with AMD PSP.

Thank you for the reply, however, I cannot disable my personal values and preferences.

Could you tell us what are they based on? My ones are on security and control.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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There is no need to pirate windows anymore, there are tons of entirely legit windows 10 pro licenses for sale at <3€.

Those are the exact pirated copies I was referring to. Or do you really believe that a copy that costs 3 euro can be legit ?

I've been researching this and the sellers of this assert they are selling licenses that are left over and entirely legitimate. It's a secondary market, not unlike used cars or anything else that is more tangible. I think there might be precedent for this to be legal even if Microsoft wouldn't like it be so.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux. Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?

Or OEMs rip you off by including the Windows price in the no-OS cost.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #56

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Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

i bought a system76 and removed linux and put windows 10 on it so i don't think it impossible to think people do this stuff

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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Microsoft actually offers Windows 10 for free, with some cosmetic restrictions until you pay for the license.

Could you please provide information we're I can get that free of Windows?

I swapped motherboards recently. Despite /specifically/ getting a Microsoft account, thinking that it would link my account to my licenses and allow for seamless transfer, it seems I need to call into microsoft for them to re-activate my install. So first off, fuck you Microsoft.

To the question: I have a watermark in the corner of my screen saying I need to activate, and I am unable to change my desktop background and some other things. Besides that, the OS is functioning normally.

Re: The Framework Laptop Is Great for a Linux-Friendly, Upgradeable/Modular Laptop

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post #56

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Machines ordered without Windows won't necessarily end up running Linux. Many of them could end up running pirated Windows.

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

One of the (maybe the?) largest tech reviewer on YouTube quite publicly bought one on the spot after reviewing and then invested in the company.
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