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Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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I agree, though I might even go further? My controversial take (as someone who ran a very popular software market for a decade myself, which notably didn't do what I am saying, though was effectively handicapped in its search for other reasons): they simply shouldn't have search or discovery of their own, as it is going to be some opportunity for the moral equivalent of a TOCTUO "parser differential" security issue t…

Sounds reasonable. But why would anybody even need a store then?

The "store" is in some sense a package manager and installation queue application; it still can provide value even without discovery... if nothing else, for paid products, it provides a convenient way for users to purchase the product with stored credentials and then an account mechanism to do license transfer to new devices (which is the reason why most developers used my payment system and most users wanted them to, even though I didn't force anyone to do so: I solved these problems well, which added value, particularly for the smaller development efforts that don't have the resources to pull that work in house to decrease their fee).

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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> But why would anybody even need a store then? How else would Apple and Google tax the entire mobile software market? Getting a cut of all sales in the mobile market is a dream come true.

Nevertheless, besides these (discovery and taxation), what is any value app stores are supposed to add?

Checking for malware. ...In theory.

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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I actually agree. I never use app store discovery or search, and I don't think anyone who understands the app market does. I think it is mainly used by folks who don't know search engines work better, who are exactly the sort of folks who fall for fake apps and scams, because their flawed assumption that the platform gives a shit about it hasn't yet been corrected. The other problem, though, is that not having discov…

Is "app store" discovery a viable option on moderated community platforms like Flathub or F-Droid, or "non-platforms" (primarily software distribution methods built around command-line installation, rather than UI-focused ecosystems with reviews and such) like Linux distribution packages?

Debian's Synaptic is great.

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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The current state of the Windows Store is a holdover from the early 2010's where "number of apps in our app store" became a huge KPI and something for the CEO to tout to the board of directors. Apple and Google kept bragging about these numbers at their respective developer conferences/yearly refresh unveilings and therefore Microsoft was all too happy to accept any and all apps into the Windows Store at the time in…

There were many things I liked about the Windows Phone OS. The alphabetical listing UI is far better than what Android/iOS have. (in iOS you can jump to a specific letter with a precise tap along the side. In WP, you could tap on a letter to bring up a pop-over list of letters.. much easier!). Its keyboard was excellent. The navigation bar in the apps would be icons, but could be expanded to show labels for each of t…

Agree on all points. As a registered Windows Insider, I had Windows Phone 10 installed at beta, and as much as I liked the UI and behavior of the original Windows Phone, Windows Phone 10 was even better. I held onto that phone until the bitter end, then flopped over to Android. The Nokia Maps app was sufficient, I don't use much more than that. If Microsoft rebooted Windows Phone with support for the Android app store, I would be back on that in a heartbeat.

People that never used it will never understand, and people that did, will never forget.

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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post #33

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Back in the Windows Phone days, they'd send you a phone for developing an app. I wrote a crappy calculator app during a CS class and got a free phone out of it. I spent more time doing the app submission than I did writing the app. They didn't care what it was. Similarly Blackberry had a similar program a little while later where I just ported the same app and got a Playbook tablet. It was fun as a poor college kid,…

It was the same on ios in the early days. My first app was a sound board. People paid money for it.

Customers paid money for it, Apple wasn't instructing people on how to build a soundboard and handing them a check or an iPhone for submitting it. Quite the opposite, all of those developers paid Apple $100 to join the developer program.

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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The current state of the Windows Store is a holdover from the early 2010's where "number of apps in our app store" became a huge KPI and something for the CEO to tout to the board of directors. Apple and Google kept bragging about these numbers at their respective developer conferences/yearly refresh unveilings and therefore Microsoft was all too happy to accept any and all apps into the Windows Store at the time in…

Not just bragging about it, Microsoft was paying people to submit software to pump that number up: > In a new US marketing effort, Microsoft is offering developers $100 per app for newly published applications submitted to the Windows Phone Store or the Windows Store by June 30th. Developers can net $2,000 in total by submitting up to 10 apps to each store. https://www.theverge.com/2013/3/19/4124548/microsoft-paying-…

Seriously. I knew of a few people in college who got that entire $2000 and paid off a few months of rent through that promotion by submitting quick one-off apps like calculators and snake games, and they did it with the encouragement of Microsoft reps on campus.

I was given a pretty decent free Windows phone after a hackathon by a Microsoft rep with basically no strings attached other than a verbal promise that if I ever finished the game I was working on during the Hackathon, I would put it on Windows store alongside any other platform.

They really wanted those numbers to go up.

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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The current state of the Windows Store is a holdover from the early 2010's where "number of apps in our app store" became a huge KPI and something for the CEO to tout to the board of directors. Apple and Google kept bragging about these numbers at their respective developer conferences/yearly refresh unveilings and therefore Microsoft was all too happy to accept any and all apps into the Windows Store at the time in…

There were many things I liked about the Windows Phone OS. The alphabetical listing UI is far better than what Android/iOS have. (in iOS you can jump to a specific letter with a precise tap along the side. In WP, you could tap on a letter to bring up a pop-over list of letters.. much easier!). Its keyboard was excellent. The navigation bar in the apps would be icons, but could be expanded to show labels for each of t…

I didn't like how locked down the Windows Phone OS was, even for the time, and I didn't like some of the limitations that popped up around app capabilities. But otherwise, agreed, they had some good UX ideas, I liked their interface a lot, there are concepts there that would still hold up really well today on a mobile OS. And it was certainly (imo) a lot nicer to develop on than Android.

But... yeah, the app ecosystem.

Re: Firefox is the 45th result when searching for “Firefox” on Windows Store

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There were many things I liked about the Windows Phone OS. The alphabetical listing UI is far better than what Android/iOS have. (in iOS you can jump to a specific letter with a precise tap along the side. In WP, you could tap on a letter to bring up a pop-over list of letters.. much easier!). Its keyboard was excellent. The navigation bar in the apps would be icons, but could be expanded to show labels for each of t…

Agree on all points. As a registered Windows Insider, I had Windows Phone 10 installed at beta, and as much as I liked the UI and behavior of the original Windows Phone, Windows Phone 10 was even better. I held onto that phone until the bitter end, then flopped over to Android. The Nokia Maps app was sufficient, I don't use much more than that. If Microsoft rebooted Windows Phone with support for the Android app stor…

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