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Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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> "There is one basic color tint that is extremely difficult to get" Any idea of the possible tint which is being referred to? Wondering if it's a mineral source requiring mining, heavy-metal processing, or what?

Likely cobalt. Most of the other blues are either made of relatively abundant elements or have very good synthetic equivalents.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

#72
Paintmakers (plural)? Or paintmaker (singular)? Was this a proactively written article or a quick rehash of a press release? It mentions a single paint manufacturer. One.

No doubt there are supply chain issues. Apparently there are journalism integrity issues as well. Yeah, it feels innoscent. But lazy and journalism are two words that do not belong together. Ever.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

#73

My hope is that supply chain issues will make clear the downsides to execs (not just the workers) and governments of externalizing all manufacturing abroad and out of reach. Look at the chaos caused by a pandemic, now imagine war or purposefully using supply chain as leverage.

This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic. In one year, people will not even remember this. Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

I wish it gets to that point. A country that doesn’t manufacture is a huge loser in the long run. I hope it comes back to America in a heavily automated, sustainable fashion.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic. In one year, people will not even remember this. Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

I wish it gets to that point. A country that doesn’t manufacture is a huge loser in the long run. I hope it comes back to America in a heavily automated, sustainable fashion.

I get the point, but corporations care more about their own profits. They will continue manufacturing in Asia for the foreseeable future, since it is too costly to open manufacturing plants in the US. The government would need to do something momentous to change this, which I don't see happening.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

#75
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/gujarats-... seems like it fills in several missing details that other commenters have asked about (what is it about blue? is this more than just a single paintmaker in the Netherlands?).

(I have my own gripes about that website, like how it tries to prevent copy-pasting via JS, or that it links to arbitrary phrases that aren't common topics or other news articles like you'd expect. But at least it has more context about this situation.)

> To put things in perspective, an estimated 59% of the annual 1.1 lakh tonne of global supply of blue pigment comes from Gujarat (India's share is 82%).

> However, pigment manufacturers - small and large - in the state have been forced to reduce production by 25-50% due to the surge in prices of raw materials, their unavailability and working capital issues.

> Rising energy costs - coal and crude - have pushed up prices of raw materials such as phthalic anhydride, cuprous chloride and urea. These are used to manufacture CPC Blue (Copper phthalocyanine blue) crude, a key ingredient of pigment blue, which in turn goes into the making of various shades of blue paints.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

#76

My hope is that supply chain issues will make clear the downsides to execs (not just the workers) and governments of externalizing all manufacturing abroad and out of reach. Look at the chaos caused by a pandemic, now imagine war or purposefully using supply chain as leverage.

This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic. In one year, people will not even remember this. Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

I disagree. People will remember this and make irrational decisions based on these memories for years.

For comparison, the Great Financial Crisis still looms over us so much that people still anticipate another huge housing burst. And when companies like Ford announce that they aren't using FICO scores to determine if a person qualifies for a loan, people on websites start fearmongering about another sub prime lending crisis.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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> To a Russian speaker, синий and голубой are not shades of each other, they are different basic colors, like blue and green in English. As a native Russian speaker, I always understood "голубой" as a light shade of "синий" (blue), and that's how it's defined in dictionaries [1,2]. [1] https://academic.ru/searchall.php?SWord=%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D... [2] https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B...

Like pink and red? Technically pink is light red, but no one calls it that.

I think pink is less clearly a shade of red (it can go a bit into blue), while "голубой" is simply light or pale blue: AFAICT it's used as an alias, and one may call it "light blue" as well.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic. In one year, people will not even remember this. Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

I wish it gets to that point. A country that doesn’t manufacture is a huge loser in the long run. I hope it comes back to America in a heavily automated, sustainable fashion.

There is plenty of manufacturing to go around. Buying from specialists is a better deal for everyone than trying to do a little of everything.

The only exceptions is war machines (guns, ships...) - you need to have that in your country just in case. Though the more trade you do with others the more nobody wants war with you because they lose both the goods you make and the market for goods you buy from them.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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The problem isn't Toyota. It's that companies are so damn risk averse that they would rather have money in bank accounts rather than take a risk and keep producing too much even during a half year downturn.

I don't think it's risk aversion so much as it is "Parts on the shelf don't pay interest/dividends".

Parts on the shelf also rust. My company saves a lot of money not having to de-rust iron parts now that everything is back out the door 5 days after it arrives in the factory. Not to mention sometimes parts rust enough that they no longer pass quality standards.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Thank you Toyota and practitioners of "lean" / "Six Sigma" that told us all about the wonders of just-in-time, to only carry exactly as much inventory was needed for demand. After all, we'd rather have that cash in a bank account than tied up in inventory. While well intentioned, the problem is that it all relies on assumptions, largely tied to demand. And when demand goes through a wild whipsaw, and everyone takes d…

I think some companies recognized that it's possible for once-in-a-generation and once-in-a-lifetime disruptive events to occur, but they crunched the numbers and decided that they could squeeze more from lean practices over the long term than they stood to lose in the disruptive events. Like, suppose you could make $X in profit that is highly resilient to infrequent disruption or twice that with the understanding th…

Planning for black swan events would be really dumb: they will never go exact as you plan them to. What if they planned for a GFC-like black swan event where nobody bought cars? Or one where gasoline suddenly went to $400 barrel?

There are a million possible black swan events and there's a million ways to plan for them.

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