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Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

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Re: Drone operator will try to rescue dogs from Spanish volcano

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Post by klipt »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #67
elihu wrote: post #66

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I think that's basically their plan. In order for it to work, they need each dog to voluntarily enter the net.

I'm imagining three skeptical dogs. One cautiously enters the net. The other dogs watch as the first is lifted and flown away. I wonder what the other two dogs would think then. Hopefully they'd see that anywhere else is better than where they've been stuck. And I guess drones have been dropping food so they would have at least some positive experience with drones in the past.

Relevant PBF? https://pbfcomics.com/comics/the-jubilee/

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Post by exporectomy »

sushisource wrote: post #46
323 wrote: post #26

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I once read an article which was about how we are willing to spend thousands to save one particular dog, or one particular injured bird, instead of donating that money to "animal habitat preservation" or something similar which will save thousands of diverse animals. And then there's the whole industrial farm-animal raising thing, where billions of animals are systematically tortured. But nobody cares, because it's n…

People act irrationally when it comes to their feelings on preserving life. Human or animal. I think it's pretty lame to say "Well, we shouldn't save one particular being because we're not maximally saving the most beings!". Accept what we can get, and work with that. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

It's not clear that many of these efforts are good at all. A classic example is feeding stray cats. That just increases the carrying capacity so you're creating more stray cats and even more will be hungry.

Exterminate cows to prevent cow suffering? Or farm them to maximize their population?

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Post by zionic »

wavefunction wrote: post #36
jagger27 wrote: post #33

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This language reminds me of the infamous Thai cave rescue. Look how public opinion turned on Elon in that instance. There are a lot of differences here, of course.

Didn't public opinion swing against Elon Musk for trying to insert himself into an already on-going rescue and then called one of the men who did rescue the kids a 'pedo-guy'? That's something I'd expect from a 13 year old on xbox live.

> one of the men who did rescue the kids a 'pedo-guy'?

AFAIK it was a consultant, who advised the actual divers, who first told elon to “shove his sub up his ass”.

Immaturity all around.

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Post by nickff »

oblak wrote: post #68
munificent wrote: post #50

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You may discover one day that there is no "grand scheme of things", no final day of reckoning when all of humanity is tallied up to decide once and for all if we're a Good or Bad species. It's just individuals doing what they can with what they have.

Well, I didn't mean it as some kind of grand cosmic spiritual picture or anything. Frankly, I am not sure what made you believe that. In any case, what I meant was that while individual efforts matter, they're dwarfed by de facto policy, formal or not. And, implicitly, that I am more than a tiny bit annoyed by people who desperately try to offset anyone's efforts just because they can. Consume, consume, consume. As b…

You said that efforts to relieve the plight of animals "doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things", but I disagree with you, as helping one animal is meaningful. I don't understand how you can believe that animals as a whole deserve better without also believing that each animal deserves better.

You now brought up a separate issue, which seems to be rooted in a philosophical disagreement. If you think the 'desperate consumers' are causing harm, I invite you to convince them to change their ways. As an incrementalist, I see each small improvement as virtuous.

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Post by sushisource »

exporectomy wrote: post #72
sushisource wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People act irrationally when it comes to their feelings on preserving life. Human or animal. I think it's pretty lame to say "Well, we shouldn't save one particular being because we're not maximally saving the most beings!". Accept what we can get, and work with that. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

It's not clear that many of these efforts are good at all. A classic example is feeding stray cats. That just increases the carrying capacity so you're creating more stray cats and even more will be hungry. Exterminate cows to prevent cow suffering? Or farm them to maximize their population?

I mean that's fair, but we're talking about airlifting some poor dogs with a cool drone, not exactly a common thing that will lead to long term problems.

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Post by sbierwagen »

INTPenis wrote: post #61

This seems like a bad idea. Are they hurting? Can't they just keep flying in food and water? If they fall they're dead, if they get tangled in the net they might be dead.

You're right, the dogs trapped next to an live, erupting volcano will be perfectly fine long term.

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Post by munificent »

oblak wrote: post #68
munificent wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may discover one day that there is no "grand scheme of things", no final day of reckoning when all of humanity is tallied up to decide once and for all if we're a Good or Bad species. It's just individuals doing what they can with what they have.

Well, I didn't mean it as some kind of grand cosmic spiritual picture or anything. Frankly, I am not sure what made you believe that. In any case, what I meant was that while individual efforts matter, they're dwarfed by de facto policy, formal or not. And, implicitly, that I am more than a tiny bit annoyed by people who desperately try to offset anyone's efforts just because they can. Consume, consume, consume. As b…

> while individual efforts matter, they're dwarfed by de facto policy, formal or not.

My point is that "individual efforts" is really the only thing that exists. Policies and other structures are emergent properties of individual efforts.

There is no change at the policy level that ultimately is not initiated by individuals doing things. A government or corporation has no independent physical embodiment. It's all made of humans making choices.

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Post by trhway »

spaetzleesser wrote: post #69

Just wondering: Would this be something for somebody with one of the new jetpacks?

jetpacks may be subject to the same issue as helicopter - smoke particulate getting into the jet engines.

There though a lot of human carrying electric VTOL drone-like flying vehicles have been developed and tested in recent years - YouTube is full of such videos - and that i think would work better here, whether with human or without as it would have even better carrying capacity and fly time without human.

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Post by rscoots »

esel2k wrote: post #39

I think the 4minutes will be very hard. But since the limiting factor is the battery and the dog probably not cooperating, why not first fly a solar panel (to charge the drone) or an unpowered trap (to give enough time to catch the dog) to allow to rerisk the limitations…

I assume they'll use a lightweight trap cage loaded with food that's laced with some kind of tranquilizer.

Then after the cage is dropped just come back and fly it out.

Anything else seems pretty risky to me.

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