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Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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The state needs to build a slew of affordable housing. I think the market has shown quite clearly it's ill-equipped to deal with the problem. Housing needs to be built for the purpose of housing people rather than the purpose of making profit.

The market has shown it's ill-equiped? I don't know how you came to that conclusion. There are zoning codes everywhere, environmental review, city permits, etc, that the small amount of successful projects will of course be the minimal low hanging fruit. Literally all of this problem is "the state." Let people build buildings on their own land. It will supply far more housing than any state backed affordable housing…

"The market has shown it's ill-equiped? I don't know how you came to that conclusion."

Well, we could start with the fact that there are roughly 25 empty housing units in the U.S. for every homeless person.

Housing a very basic human need.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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As I pointed out earlier, this problem is solved by adding building supply to balance out the supply-demand imbalance causing property to appreciate and be a source of speculation. No one will "invest" in real estate if adequate supply causes no price increases. Any ad-hoc state involved bandaids like rent-control, foreign ownership laws, etc. are unnecessary.

Land and Real Estate has other aspects of the demand aside from just "a roof over your head" though. Location and other factors play into it in a big way. For instance if you have a parcel of undeveloped land at a lakeshore, the supply isn't "all land available in the region", it's "All land along that lakeshore" which is a much smaller supply. And lakes are generally a desirable place to live, so the demand is likel…

It doesn't really matter that there are exceptions where some areas are naturally more desirable because land isn't fungible. What matters is that there are available housing units approaching the limit of construction cost pricing so that people can have a place to live without being affected by luxuries like "wanting a lakefront home."

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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That would be basic supply and demand, but I think we are beyond that. Demand for the product (housing) has moved beyond basic consumers (people who want to live in them). Real estate is now a primary investment vehicle. So building more doesn't necessarily mean more houses for people to live in. Rather it will mean more investment opportunities for people seeking to move money into a "safe" asset. That is the cycle…

The state needs to build a slew of affordable housing. I think the market has shown quite clearly it's ill-equipped to deal with the problem. Housing needs to be built for the purpose of housing people rather than the purpose of making profit.

Better yet, the state needs to get out of the way of the private sector building things and let it create more supply. A friend of mine wanted to tear down and rebuild an old house he bought. Spent a year and a half trying to obtain all the permits and gave up. And that's a regular house on a plot of land that he already owns, the "easy" case. You can imagine what kind of insane bureaucratic hoops one would need to jump through to build anything that's "affordable" and therefore a little bit unconventional. My house tripled in value in 10 years. There's simply no way a glorified wooden box costs $2M. The "state" (and the restriction of supply) is the reason why.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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You won't see the big, "respectable" unions get involved because under the Taft-Hartley Act general strikes are pretty much illegal. https://web.archive.org/web/20120501041417/http://inthesetim... The thing is, they can't arrest everybody without turning the USA into more of a prison than it already is and setting the stage for John Carpenter's ESCAPE FROM AMERICA. October 15 is a good day for a strike, but in the US…

> https://octoberstrike.com/ Too bad they mixed political ideology in what would have been otherwise a unifying populist movement. Remember, most socialists are upper middle class and above. > Our Goals: 25% corporate tax rate (No loopholes) Free Healthcare for all 12 weeks paid paternity and maternity leave $20 minimum wage 4 day work week Stricter Environmental Regulations on Corporations (Bans on single use and mi…

> Remember, most socialists are upper middle class and above.

I don't buy this. I also think that the size of the middle class in the US is grossly overestimated. IMO, if you get a W2 because your income is based on wages or a salary, you're working class. Middle-class people own small businesses and have no boss besides their customers.

Yes, I get that this isn't the standard definition. I don't particularly care.

> For some reasons every socialist I talk to actually think a 15-25 hours week of work is sufficient for society to function...

This is partly based on predictions made by John Maynard Keynes, an economist of whom you might have heard.

https://www.openculture.com/2020/06/when-john-maynard-keynes...

He expected that labor-saving technology would advance to the point where human needs could easily be fulfilled. However, I suspect he rather badly underestimated the human capacity to mistake desires for needs and to create new desires where none previously existed.

Also, I don't think he saw neoliberalism coming in the 1970s, which badly eroded the power of workers to organize and claim their rightful share of the wealth their work made possible.

> ...I never really got a good explanation how productivity will increase to accommodate such a drastic drop in labor outside of theoretical predictions.

Is it really your acquaintances' job to explain this to you? The theory is all published in books, some of which are even in the public domain and should therefore be freely available.

> Corporations can move, and re-invest their profits.

Corporations are not sovereign. They exist at the pleasure of the governments that issue their papers of incorporation. The state of Delaware giveth, and it can taketh away just as easily (and it should rather more often than it does).

Being shielded from personal financial liability so that you can't lose more than you've invested in the business is a privilege, and one our governments give out as if it were candy. This is a policy choice, and one that can (and perhaps should) be changed.

Rich people, like governments, exist on sufferance. If they abuse their position in too egregious a fashion, the people will protest. If their protests go unheard, they will eventually remember they have the right of revolution.

> Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

It might be worthwhile to remember that the American revolution in 1776 was as much a revolt against the special privileges granted to the British East India Company as it was against lack of representation in Parliament and the alleged tyranny of King George III, and it was only after non-violent and legal remedies had been exhausted that revolution became a popular cause.

> Such high profit taxes are usually counter-productive.

You think 25% tax on profit is high? It has been 50% before, and businesspeople should be on their knees thanking Mammon that the tax is levied on profits instead of revenue — that they pay taxes on their net instead of their gross.

https://www.epi.org/publication/ib364-corporate-tax-rates-an...

> Positive rights lead to slavery or worker revolts and shortage.

I'm not convinced that positive rights lead to slavery. I know F. A. Hayek made this argument in The Road to Serfdom, but I'm not convinced this is the case. Nor am I convinced that worker revolts are a bad thing.

In fact, I think part of the problem is that we've gone without worker revolts for entirely too long, and that resentments and frustrations that could have been aired and resolved have instead gone unaired and unresolved, building up and festering to the point where their release threatens a crisis.

That's why I say every day is a good day for a strike. I honestly believe that defiance is what makes us human, and that the reason every toddler seems to count "no" among their first words is that the ability to say "no" is — more than our capacity for creating and using tools — the very quality that makes us human. It's the first step toward individuation and self-actualization.

> We are living this right now in Canada, nurses are tired of doing obligatory overtime.

And in the US, we have closed drive-thru fast food joints and dollar stores because of workers staging wildcat strikes. That's not because of "free healthcare" in Canada or excessively cushy unemployment benefits in the US. It's because not only are there not enough nurses to handle the load, but the available nurses aren't getting paid enough to deal with the downsides of their job — not least of which is the risk of getting COVID themselves because people won't vaccinate, won't wear masks, and there isn't always enough PPE to go around.

When people quit their jobs, they're saying "my life matters". Their life means more to them than your convenience, and why shouldn't it? They only get one life, just like you. Why shouldn't they value their own lives as highly as you value yours?

People say "nobody wants to work anymore", but I think the reality is that nobody ever wanted to work. I don't think anybody actually dreams of labor unless they're having a nightmare. We work out of necessity. That's why we expect to get paid for it and why most people react to talk of "intrinsic motivation" with suspicion if not (suppressed with varying degrees of success) hostility.

If it were fun we'd call it "play" and do it for the sheer joy of it.

> The US health care system is inefficient due to litigation and regulations pushed by lobbying to maintain private monopolies.

Not to mention a lack of price transparency and our dependence on employer-provided group health insurance. Health insurance should be for catastrophic events like cancer, not routine preventative care — which ought to be paid for out of taxes as an investment in the people and a public good.

We used to understand this, but years of right-wing propaganda financed by billionaires seems to have buried this knowledge.

> High minimum wage will just accelerate automation and the disappearance of low-skills jobs.

I don't see anything wrong with this. Any work that can be done by machines should be, because work sucks.

This is why I think we should be demanding universal basic income as a form of economic suffrage. It's the 21st century; I don't think there's any excuse for anybody to live in poverty.

I think Elon Musk not getting his own galaxy-class starship is a fair price to pay for no American to ever have to fear homelessness or hunger.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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There's a lot more illegal workers than last year which depresses wages, but aside from that things are looking up for American workers since Biden, AOC & Co. dismantled the evil America First guideline.

Inflation is temporary and it's really Trump's fault - he let the Covid-19 situation get out of hand, causing shortages, supply chain and logistics issues.

Wages can't keep up with Trumpflation, but they'd suck even more if the government didn't ensure that millions prefer to live off government handouts and no longer seek employment. Those who didn't get the memo still work, but at least don't get paid less!

It would have been much worse under Trump!

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

#76

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> https://octoberstrike.com/ Too bad they mixed political ideology in what would have been otherwise a unifying populist movement. Remember, most socialists are upper middle class and above. > Our Goals: 25% corporate tax rate (No loopholes) Free Healthcare for all 12 weeks paid paternity and maternity leave $20 minimum wage 4 day work week Stricter Environmental Regulations on Corporations (Bans on single use and mi…

> Positive rights leads to slavery Does the positive right for every child to receive 12 years of education result in slavery?

This is kinda tangential and hella cynical, so feel free to ignore the following.

> Does the positive right for every child to receive 12 years of education result in slavery?

It isn't slavery. It's just imprisonment. At least, that's how it felt to me and it's how it feels to a lot of kids who haven't lost touch with their own true feelings in order to please the adults around them.

I don't think children actually get 12 years of education. They might spend twelve years going to school, but the actual academic education they get is probably something they could pick up with a year of concerted effort.

It's a grotesque waste of a child's time to keep them in school for so long just for such a limited academic program, but that seems to be the outer curriculum. The inner curriculum is about habits: obedience, punctuality, constructive obsession (aka "good work habits"). It's not the academics that matter in the real world, but the ability to do what you're told and con yourself into thinking that jumping through hoops is inherently worthwhile.

We call the kids who excel at this "college material", and allow them to do more of the same at their own eventual expense via student loans.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Real estate can be a store of value. It needs to be sold to liquidate the money tied up in it, but that could be years in the future. Having it sit empty until then doesn't stop the investment from working.

Vacant real estate can be quite a drain on your money. Vacant houses, for example, attract squatters, thieves and vandals. They still cost property taxes, insurance, upkeep, and your time.

If you buy a $5m house in a place where the property prices double in 10 years (eg some parts of London), it can still be worthwhile no matter what else happens.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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There's something goofy with the labor market right now. The unemployment rate is low, but not Dec. 2019 low, and unlike 2019, there are labor shortages across the labor market driving up labor prices. What's weird is how did we go from full employment, but not a shortage, to a higher unemployment rate and a labor shortage, even with somewhat depressed economic activity. Where did all these workers go? How are they m…

> Where did all these workers go? How are they making ends meet? Did people realize what they actually value and cut back both spending and work?

Yes. Prices are set at the margin, so even if 5% or 10% of people make a move, especially the lowest paid ones, and there is no slack because the system was running at capacity before, then it will have a knock on effect because prices for those 5% to 10% go up, and that causes others to make moves, and then so on and so forth until a new steady state is reached.

Prices at the low end were also dependent on a certain amount of immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

The US has been grinding down its lowest paid workers for many decades though. I actually saw the trend start reversing almost 10 years ago for the least paid laborers, and prices have been going up long before COVID. COVID just caused the changes to accelerate.

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

#79

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You won't see the big, "respectable" unions get involved because under the Taft-Hartley Act general strikes are pretty much illegal. https://web.archive.org/web/20120501041417/http://inthesetim... The thing is, they can't arrest everybody without turning the USA into more of a prison than it already is and setting the stage for John Carpenter's ESCAPE FROM AMERICA. October 15 is a good day for a strike, but in the US…

> https://octoberstrike.com/ Too bad they mixed political ideology in what would have been otherwise a unifying populist movement. Remember, most socialists are upper middle class and above. > Our Goals: 25% corporate tax rate (No loopholes) Free Healthcare for all 12 weeks paid paternity and maternity leave $20 minimum wage 4 day work week Stricter Environmental Regulations on Corporations (Bans on single use and mi…

> High minimum wage will just accelerate automation and the disappearance of low-skills jobs.

Isn't this a net positive? Then we can reduce work hours, no?

Re: Wave of US labor unrest could see tens of thousands on strike within weeks

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Right because in a "free market" tenants have no rights. Moving costs a minimum of 1 day of work, which is not available to many working people. As such, without laws to prevent it, landlords could arbitrarily raise rents whenever they felt like it.

> in a "free market" tenants have no rights. Their rights are what is mutually agreed upon in the rental agreement. > without laws to prevent it, landlords could arbitrarily raise rents whenever they felt like it. Many rental contracts have clauses specifying when and how much the rent can change. Landlords can demand whatever they want, but a tenant would have to agree to it. Tenants can also demand whatever they wa…

contacts only work because we don't live in a few market. without regulation, a contract is just a piece of paper
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