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Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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One bullet point says: "On average Bitcoin generates 272 g of e-waste per transaction processed on the blockchain." So transactions on exchanges are less wasteful? A deposit from wallet to exchange generates the same pollution? Or is it "only" mined transactions? Does the transaction size matter?

as opposed to how many grams over the regular banking system that is running on networks far less efficient than Bitcoin?

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Completely pales next to something as egregious as disposable tech that sells in the millions and only has a lifespan of 2 years tops like AirPods. They will still be washing up on beaches 100 years after every single person involved in their design has passed. Whole electronics industry needs to take this stuff more seriously, we need more replaceable batteries and storage, right to repair on a global level and laws…

Classic whataboutism which also lacks data regarding the comparison. Airpods are an actual physical product. Bitcoin is nothing more than air, speculation. That said, I prefer a smartphone I can open and replace the battery of. I own one, too: Fairphone 3. I'll look forward to the day wireless earpods have replaceable battery. However, we still gotta think about updating the firmware of the chipset.

Whataboutism is a good thing, and may have been the biggest factor in ending Jim Crow in the US (who was competing with the USSR to determine the future direction of Europe.) America fought the Nazis with a racially segregated military.

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Completely pales next to something as egregious as disposable tech that sells in the millions and only has a lifespan of 2 years tops like AirPods. They will still be washing up on beaches 100 years after every single person involved in their design has passed. Whole electronics industry needs to take this stuff more seriously, we need more replaceable batteries and storage, right to repair on a global level and laws…

Someone points out a legitimate problem with something, and the "response" is to point out a "bigger" problem with something else. Its not a response, its a misdirection. Changing the subject doesnt work. We have seen this "response" so many times that its laughable. Its like a person who owns large number of shares of Company X and everytime someone brings up the serious problems at Company X she tries to change the…

Everything has cost associated with it, and it makes sense to focus our efforts on the biggest wastes first. Granted, a person could reasonably question whether the utility of airpods isn't better than Bitcoin as well, but my point is that focusing on something else isn't automatically wrong.

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Of course. The example wasnt about AirPods but the whole catalogue of consumer electronics bought every year, for sole reason of owning newer version as a social status. Iphones pods pads etc etc.

I get value from using my AirPods while they last. They make my life better. Cryptocurrencies? Great if you got in at the top of the ponzi, but otherwise not.

It is still early to get into crypto

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

#76

Bitcoin's popularity in spite of its extreme inefficiency is a testament to the incredible power of network effects in our current economic system. It seems that Bitcoin's price will not stop growing until the monetary system is replaced by Bitcoin. The monetary system appears to be funding its own demise in an unstoppable, predictable, systematic way. It seems that Karl Marx was right when he said that "Unbridled Ca…

Deflationary currency is even worse for wealth inequality though. And one that actively wastes valuable resources on several orders of magnitude more than the alternatives isn't an ethical option.

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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One bullet point says: "On average Bitcoin generates 272 g of e-waste per transaction processed on the blockchain." So transactions on exchanges are less wasteful? A deposit from wallet to exchange generates the same pollution? Or is it "only" mined transactions? Does the transaction size matter?

as opposed to how many grams over the regular banking system that is running on networks far less efficient than Bitcoin?

That does seem like the key question; do we have any way to get those numbers?

Re: Bitcoin's growing e-waste problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As right as you are, that's besides the point. Bitcoin is waste. Pointing at other, more wasteful sources, is besides the point. Abolish both!

The beautiful thing about Bitcoin is that is it a pure, global, free market writ large. There is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent individuals from choosing to participate in it. Therefore the correct retort to someone like you is to tell you to "cry harder".

You've correctly explained the tragedy of the commons, congratulations. This is exactly why we need regulation to stop people selfishly destroying the environment for everyone for personal gain.
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