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Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

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Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

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We should stop thinking in terms of "tech companies" and think of them in terms of "companies that use tech with a high degree of success". Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. Also, with the right incentives and management it is possible, although hard, for legacy companies to start using tech better to compete.

> Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. "X makes money, therefore they are not a tech company" seems rather oversimplified in the same way "X is a tech company" is oversimplified. Actually, it seems oversimplified to the point of maybe not being so useful. I think the way most people would define "tech company," if they were pressed…

There's a third category that you're missing, and it's where the definition gets real blurry.

There are companies that effectively use technology to outcompete (or "disrupt") incumbent companies in a market. Amazon in retail, Netflix in media, Craigslist for classifieds, Uber for taxis, etc.

It seems as if many existing companies, like Cadbury's perhaps, aren't able to effectively re-work their business models with the new possibilities available via tech. Thus they're "non-tech" companies even if they do make some modest use of technology, but ultimately their business model predates tech.

"Tech" companies in this space are the ones creating or adopting brand new business models in an existing space enabled by technology. This is the "software eating the world" part of the tech market.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

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If no one is a tech company, what IS a tech company? We have the habit of getting into pedantic esoteric arguments that are meaningless. I can't accept that Netflix is a "Television company" because they don't sell TVs. They are a content provider and license holder. However there are billions of content providers and license holders.

Also let's say that a mega rich person starts investing in 15Billion / year on content like Netflix, but at the same time does it by creating Blockbuster like stores where people can walk in and rent said content. That's not a Tech company is it?

There IS a reason these companies born out of the SV are tech companies. Flagging as this is just a click bait puff.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#74

We should stop thinking in terms of "tech companies" and think of them in terms of "companies that use tech with a high degree of success". Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. Also, with the right incentives and management it is possible, although hard, for legacy companies to start using tech better to compete.

I was thinking the same, but you said it better. How many "non-tech companies" are non-tech companies simply because they're too disfunctional to use technology effectively? Think of your bank with its shitty password rules, only offering 2FA using SMS, and no useful APIs; that's a non-tech company. They either aren't aware of their lackluster technology, or are unable to organize themselves well enough to improve it…

Similar Point: "Hedge" and "Edge" share a lot of letters and semantics. If you are really good at dealing with tail risk (Pandemics, perhaps...) this not only allows you to rugged-ize and preserve your internals structures and practices in extreme circumstances but also potentially massively outcompete your competitors.

For a modern information-centric company, what does that mean? Get the technology right. Pay some smart people to get your internals ship-shape and reproducible, for example.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#75

This is attributing much more coherence to Netflix's strategy than could be reasonably assumed. Netflix is still trying to figure out what it is. I think their growth post-DVD was based on the assumption that they would be the clearinghouse for all video content; with Hulu and the further balkanization of the video space, it was clear that this was not going to happen; that Netflix was destined to be one provider amo…

This was only part of your comment, but I’m very happy with my Apple TV purchase (especially now with the “fixed” remote). The hardware has always been sufficiently fast which enables app devs to present the best version of their UIs. Though this isn’t a silver bullet (see the Prime Video app), the same APIs many devs are used to on iOS do enable a delightful experience (insofar as delightful = objectively better than the experiences on alternative hardware).

(Woof, so many caveats here!)

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

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I used to read a lot of writing like this and still do (tech strategy newsletters--Stratechery, Benedict Evans, etc)

The hazard of reading stuff like this is that it makes the world seem much more orderly and predictable than it is. Case in point: Zoom. "Videoconferencing is a commodity". "Distribution is all that matters". And all of a sudden, someone does this "commodity" a lot better, without the pre-existing network/distribution/brand of someone like Skype, Google, etc. How do they explain this? How does it make sense that a team can work heads-down without any clear distribution advantage and just grind, and build a large, meaningful company by making a better product?

It's the same deal with Yamaha Motorcycles. Read their story. Bootstrapped from a "nobody" brand in the US, stiff competition against Harley-Davidson and their ilk. They just got better and better, gradually improving year after year, until they're taken seriously by hardcore enthusiasts and are one of the leading motorcycle companies in the US. How do you explain this success in terms of moats, 2x2 matrices, SWOT analysis, competitive positioning, etc? Sometimes a company wins because they just want it more badly and are willing to push their people harder, and outwork/out-deliver the competition.

Calling the tech "still fundamentally a commodity" bothers me not because I'm a technologist, but because it's horribly hand-wavey and imprecise. It sounds precise, but what...exactly...does this mean? As other commenters have pointed out, sure, a commodity that cost oh, 100 billion dollars and a decade to build, isn't easily duplicated, and meaningfully contributes to the user experience? I heard someone describe gold as a "6000-year bubble" last week in the context of the "crypto bubble". Same idea--"a commodity that nobody else has, took a decade to build, and over 100 billion dollars". Some "commodity".

As a CEO, I increasingly find all this strategy stuff noise. All that matters is delighting your customers. You do that and charge a reasonable price, you're going to succeed. It might take a while, and of course you need decent sales/marketing execution, but overall, just focus on keeping customers happy, and you'll get there.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#77

We should stop thinking in terms of "tech companies" and think of them in terms of "companies that use tech with a high degree of success". Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. Also, with the right incentives and management it is possible, although hard, for legacy companies to start using tech better to compete.

> Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. "X makes money, therefore they are not a tech company" seems rather oversimplified in the same way "X is a tech company" is oversimplified. Actually, it seems oversimplified to the point of maybe not being so useful. I think the way most people would define "tech company," if they were pressed…

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Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

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While you can make that argument today, Netflix as a company is 24 years old. It got to its current position not by spending $15B/yr on original content (which it can afford to do now) but purely based on a superior and novel tech experience for its users. Of course eventually all discussions of this nature devolve into the intricate definition of "tech company", and in the absence of one that is agreed upon, bringin…

> purely based on a superior and novel tech experience for its users. I don't think this is accurate - the main value proposition of Netflix seems to have always been "streaming site with lots of mainstream content, that is also legal ". I.e. it's the streaming deals they've made that mattered, not delivery tech or their web player.

No. For the first decade plus of its existence, Netflix was a DVD by mail rental service and there, its technology was a key differentiator. You paid a subscription depending on how many DVDs you wanted to have out at a time, Netflix mailed them to you in red envelopes, and you mailed them back in the same envelope. The ingenious part was that there was a website where you entered in all of the DVDs you wanted and Netflix would mail them to you as they either became available or in order of priority (the original Netflix queue).

Yes, you could be pedantic and call a lot of that logistics, but the lack of physical stores, the website, the queue and rating and recommendation system (the Netflix recommendation algorithm was a huge part of its appeal, even after the streaming stuff, until Netflix got sued for accidentally outing someone with the algo), were all tech.

Netflix has ALWAYS been a hybrid tech and content company. Always. But it started out very much more on disrupting the video store model the same way Amazon disrupted brick and mortar bookstores.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#79
Netflix said that their strategy was to become HBO faster than HBO could become Netflix.

Which to put it in the words of the author: get as good at “TV decisions” as HBO before HBO got as good at tech (making apps, good UI, good recommendations and streaming back-ends) as Netflix.

I think it makes sense. Wish the article was better at explaining how the tech-crowbar worked for sky and Netflix.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#80
Eh. Netflix gambled hard. Real hard. They thought streaming would destroy all dvd and physical mediums. That was a real gamble in 2005. That was a huge payout. Now we all have "genius" insights how it worked out - but honestly they deserve every penny. And no, they are not a tech company anymore they just produce content. Anyone can upload a video and hide it behind a paywall. Rock on netflix.
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