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Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

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Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#41

We should stop thinking in terms of "tech companies" and think of them in terms of "companies that use tech with a high degree of success". Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. Also, with the right incentives and management it is possible, although hard, for legacy companies to start using tech better to compete.

> Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business.

So Intel, TSMC, Nvidia are not tech companies?

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#42
This is utterly ridiculous.

I think it's generally understood that, in the 21st century, a "tech company" is a company that uses tech as the principal competitive advantage to replace traditional "non-21st-century-tech" incumbents.

Obviously, Netflix used streaming, collaborative filtering recommendations, and a massive CDN to replace cable TV subscriptions.

If that's not a perfect example of a tech company, I don't know what is.

Yes Netflix needed a good content library too, but that's never been its primary differentiator. NBC and HBO have been producing good content for many decades now. That's table stakes.

There's another "level" of tech companies, you could argue -- companies that supply tech rather than just use it as a competitive advantage -- e.g. Microsoft, Apple, MongoDB, Dropbox.

But today we tend to label those "software" or "hardware" companies specifically (or a combination). Perhaps in the 1980's those were the only "tech" companies. But at least ever since the dot-com era, "tech company" has meant companies that use tech as the principal competitive advantage (as opposed to merely increasing internal efficiency).

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#43
> , the streaming and compression are good,

I've been in video tech for a long time, and you glossed over the part where Netflix does tech company things. They invented VMAF and per-title encoding. I've seen countless video tech talks and Netflix consistently brings innovation to the table.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was thinking the same, but you said it better. How many "non-tech companies" are non-tech companies simply because they're too disfunctional to use technology effectively? Think of your bank with its shitty password rules, only offering 2FA using SMS, and no useful APIs; that's a non-tech company. They either aren't aware of their lackluster technology, or are unable to organize themselves well enough to improve it…

Banks are run by the bankers and the tech team is typically very second fiddle. I work in fin tech.

Isn't that his point?

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#45
Ah, nothing like a clickbaity title to nerd-snipe us the morning after a holiday!

> Like Sky, Netflix has used technology as a crowbar to build a new TV business. Everything about how it executed that technology has to be good. The apps are good, the streaming and compression are good, the UI is good, the recommendation engine is good, and the customer service and experience are good. Unlike American cable subscribers, Netflix subscribers are generally pretty happy with the tech. The tech has to be good - but, it’s still all about the TV... It used tech as a crowbar, and the crowbar had to be good, but it’s actually a TV company.

By this logic, Google is less a tech company than an advertising firm that used tech as a crowbar! Microsoft is an office supplies manufacturer! Which seems absurdly reductive.

In my mind, if you're scaling customized services for individual users far beyond what a team of top-tier customer service professionals could do (or you're cyborg-izing those service professionals!), you're a tech company. Plain and simple. And Netflix fits this bill because part of its approach to content creation is that programming choices should be driven by quantitative insights about individual users - it's just a very, very long iteration cycle on the optimization algorithm.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#46
In 1997, Hastings and Randolph mailed a DVD to see if it would be delivered without damage. Netflix was created because a new market (home delivery of movies) was created by an emerging technology.

10 years later, Netflix kick started the streaming revolution. In 2008, Netflix licensed the Starz catalogue of 2,500 titles.

In a podcast episode, Ben Thompson said Netflix was his favorite company to write about because they have successfully transitioned their business model multiple times to take advantage of technological shifts.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ben-thompson-platforms...

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#48

> The tech has to be good - but, it’s still all about the TV. If Netflix was only showing reruns of Frasier and Ally McBeal no-one would have signed up I think this is always a bit of a silly argument. If Netflix was showing everything, but the tech was terrible, no one would've signed up. You need both.

Netflix wasn't the first service to show TV online. Others didn't catch on because the tech WAS terrible. That's why we all would stream torrents before. Netflix's promise was convenience at a good price and it definitely came down to the tech.

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#49
This is attributing much more coherence to Netflix's strategy than could be reasonably assumed.

Netflix is still trying to figure out what it is. I think their growth post-DVD was based on the assumption that they would be the clearinghouse for all video content; with Hulu and the further balkanization of the video space, it was clear that this was not going to happen; that Netflix was destined to be one provider among many, and that their sources of content would start to dry up as other companies decided that the streaming and application and appliances were commodity technology that they could just brand in-house.

The quality of the UI of Netflix is terrible, but everyone else is so much worse that for the moment they stand out. And they never managed to get on the bandwagon of selling add-on packages like Hulu and Amazon did (although both of those products have such abysmal UX that you gain very little over using the respective native apps).

So now they're continuing to play up the original content game, which appears to be where the industry in general is headed, because the Paramount Consent Decree is so dead that it can't even hear our prayers.

They are a tech company insofar as they have invested heavily in the tech and as a result have the most reliable and usable platform (and the most research into recommendations), but the gap between Netflix and commodity streaming is narrow enough now that their edge in the technology space is gone. So they're basically a studio/theater at this point, like everyone else in the space. The only difference between Disney and Netflix is that Netflix doesn't have a theme park (yet!).

Re: Netflix is not a tech company (2019)

#50

We should stop thinking in terms of "tech companies" and think of them in terms of "companies that use tech with a high degree of success". Ultimately any company that makes money is not a tech company because pure technology on its own does not make a business. Also, with the right incentives and management it is possible, although hard, for legacy companies to start using tech better to compete.

I was thinking the same, but you said it better. How many "non-tech companies" are non-tech companies simply because they're too disfunctional to use technology effectively? Think of your bank with its shitty password rules, only offering 2FA using SMS, and no useful APIs; that's a non-tech company. They either aren't aware of their lackluster technology, or are unable to organize themselves well enough to improve it…

I think it is pretty easy to define tech company.

Is the IT/Software Dev a profit center or a cost center, easy as that.

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