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Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by interator7 »

bee_rider wrote: post #67
banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

The idea of: > For example, we have an "Early Ganker" tag for the gamers who tend to gang in the early game. [...] We provide these tags based on only publicly accessible data on the official game publisher API. For example, any gamer can search for the opponents’ game data and conduct a similar analysis. also seems questionable to me. Is it common/practical to do this kind of thing in these games? It seems to me tha…

As a League of Legends player, it's very common. Virtually everyone that I know that plays this game has some sort of overlay(LolWiz, Porofessor, Blitz.gg, etc.) that provides unimaginable level of detail about the enemy team and my team before the game even begins. I can find out what the enemy players like to do("invade", or initiate cheese fights early), roam to other lanes in the map, and more. I know what their winrate on their champion is, how many kills on average they get before 10 minutes, whether they don't ward(a crucial component of the game that opens them up to ganks if not done correctly), and who they may be connected to voice call with. If anything, it seems like Senpai.gg's tool isn't doing enough.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by whiskyant »

banana_maker wrote: post #36

The current marketing pitch (a personal gaming -coach-) has nothing to do with the current functionality of e.g. voicing timers or providing notifications. That's more akin to a personal assistant. I would also say that what it's doing with Valorant is cheating. It's providing additional cues and advantages automatically, that other players have to keep tabs on manually. The other players have to risk glancing at the…

Dota 2 allows for a real time coach to join your team during a match at any time, it's built into the game. They have full vision/information of what your team has.

However, "Coaching is available in private lobbies, casual matchmaking, and Co-op bot matchmaking, but not Ranked matchmaking, Team matchmaking, or Tournament lobbies."

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by lightstalker »

There was a similar service provided for Overwatch a few years ago that would provide information about how you played. I seem to recall Blizzard explicitly calling out that product as cheating, and the service no longer exists. Perhaps for some games this will work, but for others this seems like a risky endeavour.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by bee_rider »

EamonnMR wrote: post #69
bee_rider wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of: > For example, we have an "Early Ganker" tag for the gamers who tend to gang in the early game. [...] We provide these tags based on only publicly accessible data on the official game publisher API. For example, any gamer can search for the opponents’ game data and conduct a similar analysis. also seems questionable to me. Is it common/practical to do this kind of thing in these games? It seems to me tha…

Is an AI that aimbots by predicting player moves with uncanny accuracy really that different from a regular old aimbot?

Another interesting point in the spectrum could be, what about a program that marks up the screen or minimap with detailed heatmaps of likely player positions based on historical data?

If that's not obviously cheating, make it time dependent, make it player dependent, etc.

If that is obviously cheating, what about producing those maps and not providing an in-game overlay?

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by jnwatson »

I think a marketplace for human coaches would be useful. I just hired one, and it definitely is not efficient, to say the least. I've had coaching for two different games.

The problem with the AI-related stuff it that it is very tactical and statistical. The strategy in many games is usually way more impactful.

All the statistics you mention are commodity for League. 5 different tools provide that info. The more impactful questions to answer would be whether to stay in lane or help a teammate, freeze the wave or push.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by conductr »

I’m in forties and haven’t gamed since about 2000. Except I once played 2 early assassin’s creed about 8 years ago. Just got an Xbox series X. It’s weird playing all the multiplayer online games. Rocket League is fun but, wow it’s difficult to master. It seems to take a lifetime of hours invested to play at highest levels. All that to say, I actually see the value of coaching in the video game realm now where I completely did not “get it” just a few months ago and this sounds promising.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by danielvinson »

Operyl wrote: post #49

When a good significant portion of your website is dedicated to “will I get banned?” .. I don’t know, man, it’s probably not going to go over well with these game companies. Also, is AWS, NVIDIA, etc really a “partner?” Just because I use their products, or get credits, that doesn’t mean they endorse or have partnered with me? This just feels like cheating to me in Valorant: https://vimeo.com/534438994

This is 100% cheating based on Riot's rules, only because of the Spike Timer. The rest is mostly ok. The reason for that is that there is no visual indicator in-game for the spike timer, it has to be memorized.

I'm not a LoL player but to my knowledge Riot just doesn't really enforce their own rules outside of tournaments where tools like this are not allowed. For Valorant, I have played in many tournaments, and every single one has explicitly stated that tools like this are not allowed.

There is no way this product is ethical or legal, and even if it /currently/ doesn't break any rules, Riot could just add one sentence to destroy the entire app. Seems really questionable to me.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by leetcrew »

anigbrowl wrote: post #33
jerednel wrote: post #9

This is interesting. Jumping into Warzone after everybody has memorized every corner of the map and knows where to look is a pain and something like this could help. As a former CS player (1.6, CZ, Source, Go) I had these maps committed to memory. Now that I am far removed from school (and the maps got way bigger) this isn't super possible so I find I just get obliterated quickly then just peace out. Not sure if this…

I've always hated the map memorization thing. To me it destroys the uncertainty and exploratory aspect of a game like CS. I didn't mind it as much in Team Fortress (which is built on cartoonish excess and thus fosters a sillier and less aggressive style of play. Thinking back to when I was a regular CS player, my favorite ever map was a Katamari Damacy style giant room where the players were effectively reduced to th…

there isn't really an exploratory aspect to (vanilla) CS. it's a competitive shooter with a small number of small maps, and the weapons are pretty clearly balanced with this in mind.

mods and community maps are a different story, of course, but they diverge quite a lot from the main game.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by newsclues »

SuboptimalEng wrote: post #19

As far as I know there are three types of player versus player (PVP) games: slow paced strategy games (Pokemon), fast paced strategy (Starcraft, League of Legends), action games (Call of Duty, Halo, Fortnite). For the first type of game, having a tool to teach the best strategies makes sense. For the latter two, not so much. From personal experience, fast paced strategy and action games just require a ton of practice…

FPS can have great levels of strategy Quake Arena being a key example.

Map knowledge is a key in shooters along with aim and movement.

Re: Launch HN: Senpai.gg (YC S21) – Personal gaming coach for PC gamers

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Post by bee_rider »

interator7 wrote: post #71
bee_rider wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea of: > For example, we have an "Early Ganker" tag for the gamers who tend to gang in the early game. [...] We provide these tags based on only publicly accessible data on the official game publisher API. For example, any gamer can search for the opponents’ game data and conduct a similar analysis. also seems questionable to me. Is it common/practical to do this kind of thing in these games? It seems to me tha…

As a League of Legends player, it's very common. Virtually everyone that I know that plays this game has some sort of overlay(LolWiz, Porofessor, Blitz.gg, etc.) that provides unimaginable level of detail about the enemy team and my team before the game even begins. I can find out what the enemy players like to do("invade", or initiate cheese fights early), roam to other lanes in the map, and more. I know what their…

Huh, well this supports my decision to not get into MOBAs.
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