This system is likely closely related to full encrypted E2E iCloud backups: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
But why would Apple not mention this, if that was their intention?
Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
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Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people want the TLAs to be going after child abusers and pedophiles. Good luck using this as your argument for dismantling them.
Similarly, many people want the TLAs to be able to go after $2T companies as well.
Do they? What behavior do they want them to go after?
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#73Apple will release this in their desktop pcs. The major consequence of this is that, a year down the line, microsoft will also be compelled/forced to join this "coalition of the good". After all, they already scan all your files for viruses, it would be a shame if they didn't scan for anything that is deemed incriminating and also call the cops on you. Of course, the children are being used as a trojan horse again. W…
> possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer That's specious reasoning. Someone who posesses an action movie likes action movies, while someone who posesses child porn likes child porn. One is ok, the other is pretty vile and illegal for a reason. I don't agree with Apple on this but let's be clear on what is and what isn't
> Someone who posesses an action movie likes action movies, while someone who posesses child porn likes child porn.
Unless it's planted. [0] Or sent to you. [1] Or (farther out there) happens to be embedded on a site you visited and ends up in your browser cache.
[0]: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/vladimir-put...
[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/17/nyregion/alex-jones-sandy...
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#74For another thought on how easy this could suffer from scope creep, iOS does (did?) store whole-app screen captures as PNGs for use on the app switcher, etc.
If this is already scanning photo libraries locally, just add the temp dir for app screen captures and they're effectively monitoring your screen too.
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#75This system is likely closely related to full encrypted E2E iCloud backups: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...
Were iCloud photos already scanned CSAM? In the on-device system, if you're not using iCloud are the photos scanned? If that's true, as an iCloud user you are exactly as likely to be charged with a crime based on your photos as you were before, but you now get E2E encryption. Obviously I'd prefer E2E without any scanning. If I wanted to upload a pirated mp3 to icloud, I wouldn't want the RIAA knocking on my door. How…
> If that's true, as an iCloud user you are exactly as likely to be charged with a crime based on your photos as you were before
Is this strictly true? I feel like the evidence that a photo was present on specific device is different from evidence that a photo was uploaded by a specific account (and a specific ip address probably).
It seems like it would be far easier for the government to justify a search warrant if they have evidence the photo they are looking for was on a specific device. Just having evidence that a specific account uploaded a photo seems like far shakier grounds to search a specific device, after all accounts are often stolen to be used for criminal purposes and ip addresses don't map cleanly to people or devices.
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
>We don't even mention the giant logical leap from finding someone possessing CP to automatically considering them a child molester, yet someone posessing an action movie is not considered a murderer. This is a wild and in my opinion a wrongheaded analogy. Possessing CP is a crime by itself. It doesn't matter if the person possessing is actually a molester or not. It is just like the possession of drugs being illegal…
Yeah it wasn't meant to be an analogy. For example consider a real murder video, is its posession illegal and does it mean its owner should be a murder suspect?
You are still falling into the same line of thinking here. The person isn't arrested because we assume they are a molester. They are arrested for possessing illegal material. Your argument here really sounds like you are suggesting that CP should be legal and it is the action of molesting that should be illegal. I don't think you would find many people who agree with that. Society has decided both are separate crimes and while there is likely large overlap, overlap is not required to be charged for either crime individually.
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#77> Do we really think criminals trade CSAM in plain-sight web sites ?
"In 2018, Facebook (especially Facebook Messenger) was responsible for 16.8 million of the 18.4 million reports worldwide of CSAM"
Apparently they do, yeah.
Re: Apple’s new abuse prevention system: an antritust/competition point of view
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah it wasn't meant to be an analogy. For example consider a real murder video, is its posession illegal and does it mean its owner should be a murder suspect?
You are still falling into the same line of thinking here. The person isn't arrested because we assume they are a molester. They are arrested for possessing illegal material. Your argument here really sounds like you are suggesting that CP should be legal and it is the action of molesting that should be illegal. I don't think you would find many people who agree with that. Society has decided both are separate crimes…
> Society has decided both are separate crimes
Actually it's legislators and the courts that come up with these laws and they are complicated. The question is if these laws reduce child abuse or simply increase spying, and in the end what is the acceptable balance between these two.
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#79So this new Apple stuff has made me decide not to buy an M1. I'm leaning Framework laptop.
For my phone though... no idea. My iPhone is honestly such a solid piece of tech. I don't _want_ to go Google either... so what else do i have?
I know lots of people run de-googled Androids, which i guess works, but i'd prefer to avoid them entirely. Is there anything that works?
edit: I know of the Purism phone (https://puri.sm/products/librem-5-usa/) but that's the only one i know of. Anyone know of others?
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft already does this. „Microsoft removes content that contains apparent CSEAI. As a US-based company, Microsoft reports all apparent CSEAI to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC) via the CyberTipline, as required by US law. During the period of July – December 2020, Microsoft submitted 63,813 reports to NCMEC. We suspend the account(s) associated with the content we have reported to N…
I think that's for files uploaded to onedrive etc. Not for all the files on any windows pc
The encouranged windows 10 setting is to sync your whole profile to OneDrive.