Trade ban wouldn't help because instead of having 2 or 3 spyware you would have 20 or 30 domestically produced spyware. Or in another words every nation would try to make their own national spyware. Now they outsource it so you can easily pinpoint who the producer is.
Edward Snowden calls for spyware trade ban amid Pegasus revelations
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Re: Edward Snowden calls for spyware trade ban amid Pegasus revelations
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>Sadly, you name a stereotype, and I promise you there's people out there that'll do their best to prove that stereotype true. The point is that it takes more than just a few people to validate a stereotype; otherwise, I could make up any stereotype I want, and by your admission, it would be valid. But that isn't how sterotypes work.
>The point is that it takes more than just a few people to validate a stereotype; otherwise, I could make up any stereotype I want, and by your admission, it would be valid. But that isn't how sterotypes work. The point wasn't to have a discussion of the semantic definitions of what makes something a stereotype, GP was merely asserting that such people might not actually exist and asking for an example. An example wa…
An example wasn’t provided. A claim was made. That is not proof. I’m talking about a blog post, a Twitter thread, or something other than mere “trust me they exist” levels of proof.
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Do you have an example of someone who holds that belief? That feels like one of those stereotypes that people are sure exists but actually doesn’t.
> Do you have an example of someone who holds that belief? Which belief? The belief that corporate spyware devices and software are infinitely superior to anything in the F/L/OSS world? I literally can't escape 'em. Especially in "gamer" circles, I get endlessly hassled by Windows users tryin'a convince me with decades old Steve Ballmer FUD that Linux is inferior junk and a cancer on the software industry, and that I…
None of that is proof.
Re: Edward Snowden calls for spyware trade ban amid Pegasus revelations
#74Is the existence of this product not completely offensive to Apple? If I were them, I would be looking for ways to sue NSO, or otherwise to obtain the Pegasus software and patch all of the vulnerabilities it exploits.
Re: Edward Snowden calls for spyware trade ban amid Pegasus revelations
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There was recently a big kerfuffle over something kinda like that. Look into recent noise about Audacity audio editor to see how that played out… ;) Edit: Curious what part of the above statement is unhelpful or inaccurate…
It resulted in a spyware/telemetry free fork. Which is how free software spyware will generally go. >Curious what part of the above statement is unhelpful or inaccurate… I have no idea how you think the incident played out. Your post is basically "something like that happened, there were results."
> It resulted in a spyware/telemetry free fork. Which is how free software spyware will generally go.
Pretty much exactly my thinking on the topic. It also resulted in them changing and/or clarifying some of the things they thought were the cause of the complaints. Still led to a fork anyhow.
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There was recently a big kerfuffle over something kinda like that. Look into recent noise about Audacity audio editor to see how that played out… ;) Edit: Curious what part of the above statement is unhelpful or inaccurate…
Not sure audacity telemetry will get you chopped to pieces in your country’s embassy
I sure do hope not, but these days it sometimes seems like too many humans are waiting for any excuse to chop each other to pieces (figuratively and literally).
Re: Edward Snowden calls for spyware trade ban amid Pegasus revelations
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>The point is that it takes more than just a few people to validate a stereotype; otherwise, I could make up any stereotype I want, and by your admission, it would be valid. But that isn't how sterotypes work. The point wasn't to have a discussion of the semantic definitions of what makes something a stereotype, GP was merely asserting that such people might not actually exist and asking for an example. An example wa…
An example wasn’t provided. A claim was made. That is not proof. I’m talking about a blog post, a Twitter thread, or something other than mere “trust me they exist” levels of proof.
Yeah, I'm not going to go do your research for you when literally ten seconds of Google search (yes, I do know what "literally" means, and no, I still won't waste the ten seconds doing your search for you if you can't be bothered to put forth even that much effort to support your assertion that I've never come in contact with these stereotypical FUD-spewing corporate product fanbois) can find you countless examples of exactly the type of hateful posts I describe. I've already wasted far more than ten seconds on this and now I feel bad for having even tried to engage in conversation on the topic.
If I cared to dig up actual examples I could link, I've numerous trolls that follow the word "Linux" around gaming forums spouting Ballmer-era anti-Linux FUD at every opportunity, just to begin the endless thread of examples, but the entire mentality sickens me and I'm actually trying to extricate myself from the Troll-pit that keeps wanting to drag me into pointless discussions of why A is better than B, when the true fact is that operating systems are tools to launch and run software. Use the one that lets you get your job or activity done in the way that works best for you and leave other people to their choice of tool if it's workin' to get their activities done for them.
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> Do you have an example of someone who holds that belief? Which belief? The belief that corporate spyware devices and software are infinitely superior to anything in the F/L/OSS world? I literally can't escape 'em. Especially in "gamer" circles, I get endlessly hassled by Windows users tryin'a convince me with decades old Steve Ballmer FUD that Linux is inferior junk and a cancer on the software industry, and that I…
>Sadly, you name a stereotype, and I promise you there's people out there that'll do their best to prove that stereotype true. The point is that it takes more than just a few people to validate a stereotype; otherwise, I could make up any stereotype I want, and by your admission, it would be valid. But that isn't how sterotypes work.
One person living up to a stereotype is sadly enough to validate that stereotype in the eyes of those who want to believe that stereotype is true. If a certain group of people want badly enough to believe a stereotype, they'll freakin' track down that one and point them out as proof of their belief.
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>Sadly, you name a stereotype, and I promise you there's people out there that'll do their best to prove that stereotype true. The point is that it takes more than just a few people to validate a stereotype; otherwise, I could make up any stereotype I want, and by your admission, it would be valid. But that isn't how sterotypes work.
>The point is that it takes more than just a few people to validate a stereotype; otherwise, I could make up any stereotype I want, and by your admission, it would be valid. But that isn't how sterotypes work. The point wasn't to have a discussion of the semantic definitions of what makes something a stereotype, GP was merely asserting that such people might not actually exist and asking for an example. An example wa…
>The point wasn't to have a discussion of the semantic definitions of what makes something a stereotype
That wasn't my point either, so we're all in agreement. We're talking about whether or not the stereotype is valid here, so it would be a good idea to use the term correctly instead of using a made up definition. "There's people out there" doesn't cut it.