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John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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The one point (OK, one of the points) which I think will be VERY confusing to the power user is that the "Automatic Termination" function will remove programs from the application switcher. Given that they're still existing as a process, what's the point of this? The whole point is that launching and quitting apps should be transparent. Why remove it from the application switcher - which will now be the only way to see what apps are running, given that the little doc light gems are gone by default - thereby making the user click on it to restore it? There's no benefit, and it's a jarring concept ("Hey, where'd my app go? I didn't quit it!") I don't see the point.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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On resuming application state: >So, how's that "geek panic" now? Still there, huh? Well, let me try to reassure you. As a committed user of a great Mac text editor that, years ago, implemented its own version of almost all the document management features described so far, I can tell you that you get used to it very quickly. Spoiled by it, in fact. Ruined by it, some would say. Yes, it's a very different model from t…

I'm not sure I follow. You mean that when you are working on something, you just shut down the application to close all your open files?

BTW, the apps need to be updated to take advantage of resuming application state, so application authors can choose to not support it if it doesn't make sense (giant Photoshop files, etc.).

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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$ /usr/bin/python -V Python 2.7.1 $ /usr/bin/ruby --version ruby 1.8.7 (2010-01-10 patchlevel 249) [universal-darwin11.0] $ /usr/bin/php --version PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 16 2011 22:26:57) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies $ /usr/sbin/httpd -V Server version: Apache/2.2.19 (Unix) Server built: Jun 16 2011 22:09:54 Server's Module…

Anyone know why Apple didn't update Ruby to 1.9.2 in Lion?

Most likely they were worried about breaking existing scripts since 1.8 has been the official Ruby of Mac OS X for pretty much its entire lifetime. Ruby 1.9 is better, but it did manage to break a decent number of programs.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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As someone who has never used OS X as his primary operating system, I am confused about what is being shown off as new in the Window Resizing section [1]. Were you not able to resize windows from all of those eight points before Lion? 1. http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.a...

No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

Slight correction - pre Mac OSX you could only resize from the bottom right, but you could move a window by dragging from the border on any edge (the idea being that windows were equivalent to pieces of paper, so people would rather move them out of the way rather than resize them, which had no physical analogue). But OSX took a step back - resize from the corner and move from the title bar only.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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post #71

The one point (OK, one of the points) which I think will be VERY confusing to the power user is that the "Automatic Termination" function will remove programs from the application switcher. Given that they're still existing as a process, what's the point of this? The whole point is that launching and quitting apps should be transparent. Why remove it from the application switcher - which will now be the only way to s…

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Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Woah. I actually reported an erratum and John responded within 10 minutes for clarification and subsequently updated the article.

(Previously, page 18 stated that "The old lock screen didn't allow account switching." Turns out it has, since at least Panther back in 2004.)

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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What do you use tiling for? If anything Apple is moving even farther away from tiling with the full-screen changes in Lion.

I use tiling when I want two Windows to each occupy half of the screen. Let me ask you a question: What on God's green earth does the little green plus button do in OSX? I just pressed it three times on Chrome and here's what happened: 1) The windows was occupying the entire screen (thank you Cinch) and when I clicked the green plus, the window changed to roughly 600x800. 2) Window changed to to 600x1100. 3) Window d…

In old MacOS it was called "zoom", not "maximize" and the application developer was supposed to swap between the "ideal small size window" and the "ideal large size window".

In this age of cross-platform apps, and people who are used to "maximize" instead of "zoom" it is a concept that has been long forgotten

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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post #71

The one point (OK, one of the points) which I think will be VERY confusing to the power user is that the "Automatic Termination" function will remove programs from the application switcher. Given that they're still existing as a process, what's the point of this? The whole point is that launching and quitting apps should be transparent. Why remove it from the application switcher - which will now be the only way to s…

I've been running Lion for a while and I have the lights under open apps without doing anything special. Does yours not?

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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I use Divvy for Mac for arranging windows. I love it. http://mizage.com/divvy/#divvyMac

I'm a fan of SizeUp. http://irradiatedsoftware.com/sizeup/

SizeUp is awesome. Easy window management without having to touch the mouse? Yes please!
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