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Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by cubicle67 » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 3:49 PM UTC

euroclydon wrote: post #26

nzoschke wrote: post #22

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What do you use tiling for? If anything Apple is moving even farther away from tiling with the full-screen changes in Lion.

I use tiling when I want two Windows to each occupy half of the screen. Let me ask you a question: What on God's green earth does the little green plus button do in OSX? I just pressed it three times on Chrome and here's what happened: 1) The windows was occupying the entire screen (thank you Cinch) and when I clicked the green plus, the window changed to roughly 600x800. 2) Window changed to to 600x1100. 3) Window d…

sizes the window to best fit the content (in theory). I think it's up to the application to specify that size though.

Works very well in Safari, but always seems to go to full screen for Firefox. Chrome's working sort of as expected here alternating between best fit and some stupid tiny size it seems to have concocted.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by eftpotrm » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 3:50 PM UTC

kahawe wrote: post #37

One thing that continuously strikes me is Apple's ability to invest great level of detail when they want to. Take the FileVault recovery key, for example. For something so crucial like file encryption, not only do they offer you a quick solution but a practical and more "human usable" one; they offer to store it for you. And then they go the extra mile with those security questions! http://static.arstechnica.net/2011…

Childhood phone numbers - if your parents still live in your childhood home and haven't changed phone number (not that unusual) then it's just their phone number.

First teacher - actually I can't remember mine (I was only there for a single term) but, again, I know enough people who have contacts they've had since very early school days, so will share that answer.

Honestly, I'm yet to come across a 'security' question of that type that is memorable to the user but couldn't be identified by someone else for at least a significant percentage of users. I'm not at all sure there are 'safe' questions of this sort.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by ralfd » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 3:55 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #55

asolove wrote: post #5

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No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

I haven't owned an Apple since my old IIgs, but from playing around with friends' and Apple Store Macs, I always wondered if there was just a non-obvious way for powerusers to maximize Mac windows for an alt-Tab type window switching workflow. Now I know there wasn't. Was this ever a pain point for powerusers, especially on laptops, or did you just get used to it?

As a power user I never maximized windows (also not convinced about the new full screen mode) but just stacked a gazillion open programs/windows, that I can bring them with a click to the foreground. I also have always Skype/Adium or a terminal/twitter/netnewswire window at the side of the screen open.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by sanderjd » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 3:59 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #55

asolove wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

I haven't owned an Apple since my old IIgs, but from playing around with friends' and Apple Store Macs, I always wondered if there was just a non-obvious way for powerusers to maximize Mac windows for an alt-Tab type window switching workflow. Now I know there wasn't. Was this ever a pain point for powerusers, especially on laptops, or did you just get used to it?

Absolutely. My typical workflow is a mixture of full-screen windows and windows that are tiled left-right or top-bottom. For what feels like forever, I have managed this manually (and tediously), but then I found Moom - http://manytricks.com/moom/ - and it made my life easy.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by rams » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:11 PM UTC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOG25fM8so - Preparing for John Siracusa's Review of OS X Lion

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by durin42 » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:23 PM UTC

joblessjunkie wrote: post #59

iaskwhy wrote: post #40

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Being picky about the childhood phone number: does anyone even remember that? Since I have the iPhone I can only memorise something like three or four phone numbers.

It's pretty much the only phone number I can remember.

I wonder if there's an age difference thing here. I'm unusual for my early twenties (AFAICT) in that I have several numbers in my head (including most of my college phone numbers, original home phone number, etc). Most of my friends are helpless without their cell.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by blahedo » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:26 PM UTC

ARGH. I'm still bitter over the introduction of Spaces in the first place—a crappy implementation of virtual desktops that nevertheless drove all the third-party versions out of business—and now they cripple their already-weak version further?

Over and over in this review I'm seeing Steve Jobs's message come through loud and clear: "You should be on an iPad. We're going to make Macs as much like iPads as we can, even when this makes no sense and observably degrades productivity and user experience. If you're still somehow holding on to your non-iPad existence, we don't give a shit."

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by lloeki » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:31 PM UTC

euroclydon wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed in the answer to the following questions: Can I tile two windows without 17 clicks and mouse movements? Fortunately for the creator of Cinch, it seems the answer is no. Can I archive a gmail message? No?

Window Magnet is really nice and complete while still sticking to Less is More. Shame it's so unknown.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by clobber » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:40 PM UTC

nzoschke wrote: post #13

jsdalton wrote: post #9

Since the article didn't mention it, I'll ask here. Anyone know the versions of Python, Ruby, Apache, PHP, etc. that come installed with OS X Lion?

$ /usr/bin/python -V Python 2.7.1 $ /usr/bin/ruby --version ruby 1.8.7 (2010-01-10 patchlevel 249) [universal-darwin11.0] $ /usr/bin/php --version PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 16 2011 22:26:57) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies $ /usr/sbin/httpd -V Server version: Apache/2.2.19 (Unix) Server built: Jun 16 2011 22:09:54 Server's Module…

Anyone know why Apple didn't update Ruby to 1.9.2 in Lion?

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

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Post by rwmj » Wed, Jul 20, 2011, 4:46 PM UTC

asolove wrote: post #5

albedoa wrote: post #4

As someone who has never used OS X as his primary operating system, I am confused about what is being shown off as new in the Window Resizing section [1]. Were you not able to resize windows from all of those eight points before Lion? 1. http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.a...

No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

The irony being that GNOME 3 has slavishly copied (badly) various Mac OS X "features", one being the inability to resize windows from all sides. And less than a year later, Mac OS X changes to allow resizing from all sides.