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Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are now working for YC companies. (Which is a teency stretch since Heroku is now SalesForce and hence no longer really a YC company, but we'll count them to keep it interesting.)

Ruby isn't as popular as python, java, or javascript, http://langpop.com/ , where did you get your data from?

Python is more widely used than Ruby overall but Rails alone is far more popular than all the Python web frameworks combined.

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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post #20

Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are now working for YC companies. (Which is a teency stretch since Heroku is now SalesForce and hence no longer really a YC company, but we'll count them to keep it interesting.)

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Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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post #20

Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are now working for YC companies. (Which is a teency stretch since Heroku is now SalesForce and hence no longer really a YC company, but we'll count them to keep it interesting.)

I'd love to know how Ruby is one of the two most popular web programming languages. I love ruby but from what I see here in NYC, I'd say python is more popular. Are we trading anecdotes here? Or is that two most popular based on a metric from somewhere?

We track the programming language that our customers are using on sign up. Our customers aren't particularly early-adopter-ish, so I assume it's a reasonable approximation (taken over a decently large sample of sites):

http://blog.directededge.com/2010/05/30/what-programming-lan...

See also:

http://www.indeed.com/jobanalytics/jobtrends?q=ruby+rails%2C...

Or even (this one surprises me, since I figured Python generally would come out on top when not selecting for web stuff):

http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=ruby%2C+python&l=

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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So Heroku now owns Ruby. Not that I think this will lead anywhere particularly bad.

Yikes, bye bye karma.

I'm wondering if there's not a single person out on HN that sees this the way I do? It's not a bad thing that Matz is joining Heroku, but it does give them a very different stature in the Ruby community than they had pre-Matz. Nothing inherently evil or snarky about that.

I'm a Heroku user who hopes that this produces an even better experience on the platform. But I find it hard to see this as just another hire. Google's got a huge leg up in Go since they've got the two Robs and Ken, Joyent has Node + Ryan Dahl.

They don't own the language, but they do "own" it.

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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So Heroku now owns Ruby. Not that I think this will lead anywhere particularly bad.

Did Google start owning Python when Guido went to work there? Replace Google by Transmeta and Guido by Linus and you have another earlier example. This kind of thing happens all the time. You can generally count on long-time system designers and implementors to have enough integrity and pride in their creation that they won't succumb to corporate agendas even from their own employers. It's not like they're so despera…

It is yet to see another cloud based solution for python. Of course, having Guido there is not the _real_ reason why this would happen.

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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post #20

Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are now working for YC companies. (Which is a teency stretch since Heroku is now SalesForce and hence no longer really a YC company, but we'll count them to keep it interesting.)

Also worth noting that Simon Willison of Django fame is also cofounder of a YC company.

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think matz was ever unaware of how important rails is. But what I assume patio11 meant is that most of the japanese devs may not have that as a priority, changing the priorities of a single person would not change much.

Although it's a pretty important single person, and may bring much greater awareness of the "westerner" ruby community among core developers.

Yeah because Matz never really left japan, or spoke to "westerner" developers before. So this will be a HUGE change... seriously?

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to know how Ruby is one of the two most popular web programming languages. I love ruby but from what I see here in NYC, I'd say python is more popular. Are we trading anecdotes here? Or is that two most popular based on a metric from somewhere?

Based on anecdotal evidence it seems like python is generally much more popular then ruby, being frequently used for just about any general purpose programming (other then some speed sensitive and low level stuff) such as os scripting, application scripting, web programming, number crunching, desktop applications, ect. While ruby(usually rails) is unfortunately only popular for web programming (probably because pytho…

I'll throw in my anecdotal evidence as well then. At work use ruby for a lot of configuration management with puppet mainly due to it just being easier to just throw some extra ruby in place than shell out to another script. So ever so slowly we have been getting more and more ruby into our "enterprise".

We also have another more "corporate" type piece of software that uses python that gets... less use, but that is more due to it really being written in java and having performance closer to a glacier. Which is why we have puppet now in the first place.

I've used both ruby and perl for equal amounts of time, and I've recently started to use it at work to replace old perl and shell I have. That and I've switched vm's to rubinius so those old "ruby is slow" gripes to be honest never cause problems. That and having a jit+vm that isn't java on each of our os's is really awesome.

Don't get me wrong, Python is a great language but you are 100% right, there isn't much need for learning both Ruby and Python. They both are roughly equivalent featurewise, but they both take completely different roads about how you approach general purpose programming. That said I know both but rarely use my Python knowledge much. But it does have some great libraries out there for numeric computation/etc... I also know of a few companies that use ruby as their goto language to get failing (java) projects out of the door.

Disclaimer: I never use rails at all, haven't since I looked at it source in the 1.x days. Was REALLY put off with all of the monkey patching they did.

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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post #78
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on anecdotal evidence it seems like python is generally much more popular then ruby, being frequently used for just about any general purpose programming (other then some speed sensitive and low level stuff) such as os scripting, application scripting, web programming, number crunching, desktop applications, ect. While ruby(usually rails) is unfortunately only popular for web programming (probably because pytho…

I'll throw in my anecdotal evidence as well then. At work use ruby for a lot of configuration management with puppet mainly due to it just being easier to just throw some extra ruby in place than shell out to another script. So ever so slowly we have been getting more and more ruby into our "enterprise". We also have another more "corporate" type piece of software that uses python that gets... less use, but that is m…

Doh I forgot to mention puppet.

Re: Matz (creator of Ruby) joins Heroku

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post #20

Interesting note: With Rasmus Lerdorf working at WePay, this means the creators of the two most presently popular web programming languages, Ruby and PHP, are now working for YC companies. (Which is a teency stretch since Heroku is now SalesForce and hence no longer really a YC company, but we'll count them to keep it interesting.)

Ruby isn't as popular as python, java, or javascript, http://langpop.com/ , where did you get your data from?

Had the site taken Github into consideration, things would have been different.
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