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Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by orwin »

rsj_hn wrote: post #34
ur-whale wrote: post #15

That's two over-a-billion population dysfunctional autocratic regimes in Asia. Fun times ahead.

Western Liberal democracy is basically vanquished in Asia, right at the time that Asia seems to be poised to dominate economically and demographically. Liberal democracy isn't making any inroads in Africa and Russia has certainly given it a firm no, with the Vysehrad states in Eastern Europe also turning away. Basically only Latin America is up for grabs at the moment and the results there seem mixed at best. We coul…

The pandemic and the gvt handouts are the only thing that crushed the yellow vests.

Demographic dividends are a thing. Liberal, socialist democracies use them better other systems.

I think in 20 years, when the demographic transition end in India, the regrets will be high and if there's no support from other economies, the effects will be 100 times worse than ex USSR countries, Portugal, Spain or Greece (European countries that missed on quite a few dividends).

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Post by orwin »

naruvimama wrote: post #28
publicola1990 wrote: post #12

India somehow had stumbled and took a turn towards the Hindu right wing majoritarianism/ultra nationalism. It has certainly caused long term effects, the pace of reforms has slowed down considerably. Major policy decisions seems to be stuck in limbo for years, for example regarding Walmart: atleast for 10 years Walmart trying to start retail operations in India, but government hasn't given clarity on policy. Similarl…

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Did you see any atheist kill someone because he was religious? Or even attack some believer for the sake of attacking?

This is way to much strawman for me . And I did believe what you said in another post on Modi as governor, now i guess I'll have to check myself.

Re: Silicon Valley thought India was its future, now things have changed

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Post by orwin »

naruvimama wrote: post #69
random314 wrote: post #45

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This post is an example of the wild fantasies indulged by the followers of hindutva where India is forever on the precipice of taking over the world intellectually and to an extent territorially. In this future liberalism will be consigned to the garbage can and ethno nationalism and fascism centered on Hinduism will reign supreme. The popularity of yoga is hilariously touted as a precursor of things to come. The pri…

This was in response to the OP about western values. Are you not sick and tired of a colonial propaganda of attributing everything to the west. I pity people who actually believe Renaissance or Industrial revolution was something that happened overnight. Even as the "liberal" elite and evangelists try to force their agenda on the rest of the world, their own homesteads are turning more dharmic.

I pity people who think renaissance was a thing.

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Post by tim333 »

>Silicon Valley Thought India Was Its Future

I'm a bit skeptical. I'd imagine SV thought India was one country out of the 200+ their services are available in and if one of those 200 changing governments pass bad laws then whatevs, a developing countries manager can do a press release or something.

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Post by zozbot234 »

orwin wrote: post #72
naruvimama wrote: post #28

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Did you see any atheist kill someone because he was religious? Or even attack some believer for the sake of attacking? This is way to much strawman for me . And I did believe what you said in another post on Modi as governor, now i guess I'll have to check myself.

There were in fact many such incidents of persecution and even outright massacres, including in post-revolutionary France, early-20th-century Mexico, and still later in North Korea, Albania and Khmer-Rouge Cambodia. Contrary to common misconceptions, atheism is not inherently more rational or freedom-oriented than any other religious stances.

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Post by jaldhar »

npmn wrote: post #48
jaldhar wrote: post #38

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Can we stop with all this IT cell bullshit? Modi got in because he was more competent than the rajputra of the Nehru dynasty. My family are from Gujarat. We’ve known about Modi since he was governor. We moved out of our ancestral village several generations ago but still return on special occasions because our kuladevi is there. The area is semi-desert. Modi got water from the Narmada dam piped in. Now cash crops can…

Modi government is competent at marketing everything as his contribution, he is highly egoistic, doesn't accept any mistakes, or tries to push the blame to the Nehru Dynasty, Opposition etc. BJP IT Cell is one the most active proponent in pushing the image of Narendra Modi as the savior, whereas in reality, literally any leader who would have listened to experts instead of the election gurus, would have taken more se…

Let us assume that this idea of “no national alternative” is stupid. Who is this person then? Name a name.

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Post by jaldhar »

random314 wrote: post #41
jaldhar wrote: post #38

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Can we stop with all this IT cell bullshit? Modi got in because he was more competent than the rajputra of the Nehru dynasty. My family are from Gujarat. We’ve known about Modi since he was governor. We moved out of our ancestral village several generations ago but still return on special occasions because our kuladevi is there. The area is semi-desert. Modi got water from the Narmada dam piped in. Now cash crops can…

He also led pogroms, segregated living areas by religion and promoted rioters and terrorists. Gujarats gdp per capita is only slightly above the median. And IT cell is a reality that has been exposed several times over. Identical copy paste tweets and interviews with ex-it cell employees.

I gave you actual examples of improvements I’ve seen with my own two eyes. People can’t drink gdp.

I don’t doubt there could be an IT cell. What I was reacting to was the idea that it is a major reason for Modi’s success. Like “Russian collusion” this is just cope by people who can’t accept that it is they who are the unpopular ones.

People don’t understand that propaganda like hypnotism only works on people who are already primed to believe it. Why does anyone listen to this BJP IT cell? Do you know?

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Post by ptx »

statguy wrote: post #47
exporectomy wrote: post #21

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I suddenly realized it was propaganda too when I go up to this gem of journalistic objectivity: "His “Digital India” campaign (whose website, incidentally, has pretty horrid design) [...]"

He isn't exactly incorrect, judge for yourself :) https://www.digitalindia.gov.in/

Wow, that's the first time I've seen a loading spinner that not only spins but is itself is spun around.

Other than that it doesn't look much worse than any other modern website.

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Post by hnedeotes »

naruvimama wrote: post #67
hnedeotes wrote: post #56

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Yeah, western countries are known for having about 50% of their population relegated to an untouchable status without any chance of social mobility or partaking in the benefits and rituals of the other 50% - and not only in this life, it's for eternity.

The class system or castas was very much part of Europe. The monopoly of the church on God and crown was precisely why it was imported into India by the British to consolidate their power. "Caste" is often used to white wash the Islamic and Christian colonization of India that lasted for a 1000 years, that reduced the richest nation to one of the poorest. This poverty creation machine that the British colonization is…

This seems to not have any resemblance to the historical decline of the "Vedic Culture" way before any "colonising" by the "west".

If the guys writing the history didn't mess it up, wasn't buddha himself against the caste system? That seems way before there was even a Church in the West to begin with.

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Post by zozbot234 »

hnedeotes wrote: post #79
naruvimama wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The class system or castas was very much part of Europe. The monopoly of the church on God and crown was precisely why it was imported into India by the British to consolidate their power. "Caste" is often used to white wash the Islamic and Christian colonization of India that lasted for a 1000 years, that reduced the richest nation to one of the poorest. This poverty creation machine that the British colonization is…

This seems to not have any resemblance to the historical decline of the "Vedic Culture" way before any "colonising" by the "west". If the guys writing the history didn't mess it up, wasn't buddha himself against the caste system? That seems way before there was even a Church in the West to begin with.

The Mongolic ("Islamic") invasions from Central Asia starting in the late middle ages were quite comparable in their violence. And they still count as "west" from an Indian POV since Central Asia is directly west of the Indian subcontinent. (Note that these Mongolic invaders were, by and large, merely converts to Islam, and that a very comparable dynamic also caused the end of the Golden Age of Islam, around that same time.)

Gautama Buddha was against any rigid interpretation of the varnas, but he was not unusual in that - this was close to Hindu orthodoxy even at the time.

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