This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
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Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#72Please don’t look at 7m-13m number and compare it to 7 billion population and say oh it’s only 0.1-0.2%. Pretty much ever country has seen a 15-20% increase in excess mortality rates (20% more people dying than averages in the past), this is huge. This is one of the best up to date visualizations on this topic, scroll down and see breakdowns by country - https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386...
“Huge” is very relative. 20% increase of a number that is very low by historical standards is still really low.
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Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#73This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
You would need to look at everything from ages to whether the lockdowns where enforced to how people lived (high or low density) to how deaths were counted. It would be an interesting study.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's disheartening seeing people in the US mad at the 30% vaccine hesitant there, while 6B+ at the gates have no vaccines available at all. The US isn't an island, and the borders are nowhere near closed. The variants that grow in the other 96% of humans that aren't americans will doubtlessly end up there, and will be end up tending toward vaccine resistance due to selection pressure. I think this is going to get muc…
You're getting downvoted but I do believe you're correct. I'm a healthy 21 year old, please govt., give my vaccine to other countries. I will take it if offered, but I'd prefer to give it to those who really need it all things considered. Let me get the vaccine when others are safe.
Your being vaccinated is important for protecting those who can’t be vaccinated. Plus, what’s most likely to drive governments to exports of vaccines is hitting/exceeding their own vaccination targets. The most effective way to lobby for exports is to get vaccinated.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#75This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
Count of covid cases and deaths has been highly politicized and manipulated in Florida to the point of firing people for reporting them.
Not sure how possible it is to get accurate info in this environment.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#76The earth’s population is 7.9b, so the excess deaths are 0.1% of the population. COVID’s mortality rate is about 0.5%, so roughly 1/5 of the population has has had it (or died of other related things, like starvation in developing countries due to the lockdown stopping food harvests in California). Currently, 1.45b doses of a vaccine have been administered, so about as many people have had the vaccine (partially, at…
Thanks for summing up the relevant numbers, it's helpful in putting all this in context. .1% isn't nothing, but it isn't really a disaster either. The Black Death was 30-50% of the population in Europe. The "Spanish" Flu of 1918 killed about .64% of the US population. Things could still get worse of course. But barring that, and considering the absolute disaster that Covid has revealed our political system and interl…
I feel like the more logical take is that our healthcare technology, policy, etc prevented the deaths from being on a scale closer to previous plagues. It may have been closer to 1918 but we stopped that from happening.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#77From what I have seen in poorer countries, in some cases the worst things have just started. I was dating a Colombian girl who got a 200% APR loan from a city near her during the lockdown to be able to pay her rent without a job, and hadn't even realized that it's 200% APR (15%/month didn't sound that bad to her). People are on the streets because the government wants to increase taxes, and they are already in huge d…
> 15%/month didn't sound that bad to her This is why when economists talk about consumers acting as rational market participants I just laugh and shake my head. Have they met people?
Has it occurred to you that people taking payday loans don’t have a lot of options?
This isn’t someone deciding between 15% monthly and a nice 4% annual personal loan. This is someone deciding between 15% monthly and homelessness. Choosing the interest rate is rational.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#78Please don’t look at 7m-13m number and compare it to 7 billion population and say oh it’s only 0.1-0.2%. Pretty much ever country has seen a 15-20% increase in excess mortality rates (20% more people dying than averages in the past), this is huge. This is one of the best up to date visualizations on this topic, scroll down and see breakdowns by country - https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386...
Not only that, but the covid restrictions have meant that the normal death rate is lower. Because people aren't traveling and commuting the road toll is down, because people are at home and social distancing workplace deaths are down. So excess mortality is up and the base deathrate is down meaning excess mortality is actually higher than shown.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#79This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
I think the flaw in this premise is believing that the regulations promulgated at the state level had any real impact on the public response. It's not the "lockdown" that keeps people at home, it's the disease. In some states they did not order restaurants to close, but that doesn't imply that attendance at restaurants in those places was normal.
Re: There have been 7M-13M excess deaths worldwide during the pandemic
#80This has me a bit confused: I look at the stats on cases and deaths per capita across various U.S. states, including California (which was very locked down, at least in theory) and Florida (which was flippant towards risks of contagion), and many states in between. The per capita cases+deaths are nearly identical across many states with very different approaches. This left me really wondering which measures were and…
https://twitter.com/IAmTheActualET/status/139036896599463117...
There is literally no such thing as a red state or a blue state, so not surprising it doesn't map to anything.