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Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

SirSourdough wrote: post #64
chubbyish wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of Bay Area women comprise all women in the world? And what is your definition of most? He is comparing Bay Area women to Eastern European women.

I don’t believe that you can make a comment as sweeping as “most Bay Area women... are so useless you could trade them for a jerry can of diesel” that doesn’t reflect a stance on all women. There are 7.75 million people in the “Bay Area”, presumably about half women. The idea that you could believe nearly 4 million women with totally disparate histories - only united by currently living in the Bay Area and being wome…

Even more importantly IMO, Apple is located in the Bay Area! That means he's speaking about his would-be coworkers and subordinates.

I don't see how you could be a good team member if you come with these types of preconceived notions about the other people on the team.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by belltaco »

legostormtroopr wrote: post #12

This was buried in the article, but James Danmore is racist now. > notorious ex-Googler James Damore, who suggest this is because women and people of color lack the innate qualities needed to succeed in tech. It seems that people just keep tacking on “sins” to see what sticks to people’s reputations regardless of the facts. Was there anything in Danmores article that even mentioned people of color?

>Was there anything in Danmores article that even mentioned people of color?

James Damore's point was that diversity hires make for low quality hires. People who believe that may see a PoC working in tech and automatically assume they got hired for their skin color and not skill.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by belltaco »

chubbyish wrote: post #54
MyHypatia wrote: post #5

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I think the clown world is hiring someone who wrote: “Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit. They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they’d become precisely the sort of useless baggage you’d trade for a box o…

You are hearing only what supports your narrative because you need to hate on something. Humans simply love to hate. The context of the quote is comparing Bay Area women to the Eastern European woman that he is dating. And now you bring the female healthcare workers into it too. Hey women - look what this guy is writing about you. What you will find is that it is actually you, who is decreasing net happiness of every…

He was hired to work in the Bay Area alongside those women he despises though.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by belltaco »

rasputnik6502 wrote: post #51
ceph_ wrote: post #46

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His doc repeatedly said programs that are aimed at a helping women and people of color should be ended. And that diversity of gender and race should not be a goal. I don't think it's a big leap.

Many years ago a big tech company opened a new office in my city and started recruiting developers at my university. They wanted to be fair and treat both sexes equally so they decided on male/female parity (at least 30% women). But on my year (computer science) there were just 3 gals vs 30 guys, but there were groups with even worse ratio. So the company hired all female students they could and then started looking…

Name the so called big tech company, you're already posting under a new throwaway. If you don't we can assume you just made that up.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by imperfectcats »

ceph_ wrote: post #68
imperfectcats wrote: post #67

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Can you point me to the section that says that: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I... Being as generous with the interpretation as possible, I guess suggesting new programs to replace existing ones could be interpreted as "programs that are aimed at a helping women and people of color should be ended", as ending one and replacing it is kind of ending. Saying "repeatedly" seems a stretch thou…

Under the harms section first bullet for things to end: "Programs, mentoring, and classes only for people with a certain gender or race"

OK, so you read that section and see it as "repeatedly said programs that are aimed at a helping women and people of color should be ended"?

There is another section with programs Damore claimed would be more effective. I am confused why replacing programs equates to ending them. Unless the goal is only to have good intentions, shouldn't the effectiveness of programs matter?

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Post by dqv »

ceph_ wrote: post #68
imperfectcats wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point me to the section that says that: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-I... Being as generous with the interpretation as possible, I guess suggesting new programs to replace existing ones could be interpreted as "programs that are aimed at a helping women and people of color should be ended", as ending one and replacing it is kind of ending. Saying "repeatedly" seems a stretch thou…

Under the harms section first bullet for things to end: "Programs, mentoring, and classes only for people with a certain gender or race"

My interpretation:

He uses that to suggest the programs increase racial tensions, not to suggest that we shouldn't be trying to get more people of color involved in tech. He cites this article [0] as his reasoning.

Is there something I'm missing?

[0]: http://archive.is/00yb5

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by SamReidHughes »

dang wrote: post #66
SamReidHughes wrote: post #36

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The article quotes one of those Bay Area woman in tech who finds her job and life "exhausting." A common affliction. Why are these strong Bay Area women so exhausted all the time?

Please not here Sam. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Sorry Dan.

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Post by [deleted] »

tomnipotent wrote: post #48
Udik wrote: post #38

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> women should be forced to work under a known misogynist How do you know he's a misogynist? You read a small, absolutely marginal excerpt from a book that is clearly written in a literary style. In it, he draws a comparison between a particular woman, who is praised for her talent and resourcefulness, and "most Bay Area women", who are definitely not all women, in the Bay Area and much less in general. "Most America…

Did you consider that I've read the book? Here's my favorite review from Goodreads 2016: "Pretentious, pseudo-intellectual misogynist pontificates about his theories on tech business, society, and capitalism while sneering at every other human with Olympian contempt and making unacceptable sexist comments about women for about 500 pages."

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Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by pseudalopex »

rasputnik6502 wrote: post #25
tomnipotent wrote: post #23

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> So it's a passage in a (novel? Definitely a literary piece anyway) It's not fiction. It's an autobiography. These are his personal opinions and feelings.

Since when personal feelings and opinions should be prosecuted? And who is so entitled to give themselves such right?

Since when was he prosecuted?
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