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Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by ChuckMcM »

livinginfear wrote: post #24

> "In 2016, the commissioner demanded Facebook stop collecting user data from WhatsApp. In that case, Facebook worked with Germany to iron things out. It does not appear that the social media platform is willing to cooperate this time." This line to me sounds incredibly sinister. For a long time I've been fearmongering about the level of power held by these multinationals approaching those of small states. It sounds…

This is perhaps where Eric Prince's mercenarys as a service MAAS business can help.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by Smoosh »

livinginfear wrote: post #24

> "In 2016, the commissioner demanded Facebook stop collecting user data from WhatsApp. In that case, Facebook worked with Germany to iron things out. It does not appear that the social media platform is willing to cooperate this time." This line to me sounds incredibly sinister. For a long time I've been fearmongering about the level of power held by these multinationals approaching those of small states. It sounds…

I have remarked before that Zuckerberg wants to be the Murdoch of the 21st century. To wield his media influence as a "kingmaker" (mostly quietly and behind the scenes, but with those seeking to gain or hold power knowing they will need Facebook's co-operation). And ensuring as compensation an unchallenged position for Facebook, and minimal taxation and other interference.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by Leherenn »

darkwizard42 wrote: post #43
CGamesPlay wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. WhatsApp previously was a paid app and had 500 million paying users.

Technically... yes. But the $1/year was AFAIK not enough to cover costs.

It was only after the first year. And there were ways to bypass it if I remember correctly.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

Auracle wrote: post #54
dhosek wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advertising is possible to do without invasive data collection.

Some advertising, sure. I’ve advertised on Facebook and without being able to select people in my area that are engaged to be married it’d be utterly useless to me.

To be fair though, that particular targeting option does not require third party data collection, as people announce engagements on FB, which is where they get the information from.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by axiosgunnar »

I am PANICKING this standoff will be abused by the EU to implement union-wide China-style internet filters „for the good of the citizens“.

And from then on it will be a slippery slope to add more and more websites to the banlist.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by varispeed »

axiosgunnar wrote: post #75

I am PANICKING this standoff will be abused by the EU to implement union-wide China-style internet filters „for the good of the citizens“. And from then on it will be a slippery slope to add more and more websites to the banlist.

I think you missed the boat - the requirement for filters and any company with user generated content having a censorship office in the EU and 1 hour SLA to delete content on request has recently passed without voting. It will be now implemented within a year.

Some light: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by varispeed »

MisterKent wrote: post #33

Facebook would rather be booted out than remove data collection, because they (probably correctly) have determined that a service like theirs cannot exist without advertising unless a global ban is created. If they are banned in Europe, the new service will be pay to use in order to generate revenue. In which case, nobody outside Europe would use it. In which case, barely anyone inside Europe would use it. Facebook k…

I think advertisement of course is a big factor, but it is a smoke screen for running an intelligence service. A company without state agencies backing wouldn't be allowed to just ignore governments, let alone a big one like German. Facebook is just an informant network and intelligence gathering op. They finance it through ads (in a similar vein as they financed Contras with drug money).

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by mpweiher »

I have to admit I've been waiting for this ever since GDPR came into force.

Facebook can't back down. Unlike other companies, who might be able to adjust their business practices, however unwillingly, into compliance, for Facebook, violating their users' privacy is their business model. Everything. The whole enchilada.

Facebook's business model is illegal.

This will be an epic struggle...popcorn ready.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by Stranger43 »

thewarrior wrote: post #22
Stranger43 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU courts could go after any assets/companies associated with Facebook operating in the EU and basically dissolve them as bankrupt if they fail to pay their increasing fines. Another venue is to go directly after Facebooks European customers and make it illegal for any company to pay Facebook for ads targeting European customers. In the end this would force Facebook to abandon Europe and lead to local competitors…

I would expect that the US government would apply diplomatic pressure to prevent such outcomes as it would lead to copycat measures.

The question here is does the US have any leverage left as it's not like the American diplomatic service haven't tried pressure European regulators and courts to water down the enforcement of European privacy regulation since it was enacted.

If the showdown happens in the highly independent German court system, i just don't see how American political pressure is going to stop the slow but steady path of escalating measures likely to be taken if Facebook refuses to comply with court rulings.

Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules

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Post by axiosgunnar »

varispeed wrote: post #76
axiosgunnar wrote: post #75

I am PANICKING this standoff will be abused by the EU to implement union-wide China-style internet filters „for the good of the citizens“. And from then on it will be a slippery slope to add more and more websites to the banlist.

I think you missed the boat - the requirement for filters and any company with user generated content having a censorship office in the EU and 1 hour SLA to delete content on request has recently passed without voting. It will be now implemented within a year. Some light: https://decoded.legal/blog/2021/04/the-eus-terrorist-content...

Yes but that‘s just another regulation in law space.

What I‘m worried about is filtering infrastructure in tech space.

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