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Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by Buttons840 »

Errsher wrote: post #39
vlang1dot0 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, the average citizen will definitely trust that "homomorphic encryption" isn't just some nonsense made up so the election can be rigged.

The difference is that with something like ElectionGuard - as long as the encrypted result is publicly available - you would remove an entire class of complaints that people have with the current system - individuals would be able to validate that their personal vote was counted appropriately, and you would be able to audit the authenticity of every vote without disclosing/revealing who individuals vote for. Unlike t…

Giving up secret ballots has its own issues. Always worth considering, but giving people a way to verify their own vote could lead to vote buying: "vote for X, keep your mouth shut, and show me the verification for $$$".

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Post by BelenusMordred »

JeremyBanks wrote: post #69
ibejoeb wrote: post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

Dang, you've got a lot of insurrection apologists in your disgusting community. You complicit sack of shit.

This is unnecessarily rude and not deserved. I get that elections are divisive times in America but that's all over.

We've had decades of technologists and cryptographers being wary of digital voting, however many years of the voting village at Defcon where the only challenge left now is how quick you can exploit it not whether you can.

As an aid beside regular paper voting I think it's probably fine but disliking electronic voting is bread and butter for the types of people who visit this site.

I don't see anyone supporting "insurrection" in the comments.

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Post by joezydeco »

jacob2484 wrote: post #12
ashneo76 wrote: post #7

To all the naysayers, is there any other way to hold fox accountable for all the propaganda and division that they have down for that 5 years at least? And to hold rupert murdoch accountable?

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Dominion and Smartmatic are claiming actual damages with hard figures and dollar amounts. The lawsuits have nothing to do with propaganda.

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Post by barbacoa »

jjeaff wrote: post #70
barbacoa wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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So did Rachel Maddow devote hours and hours of air time repeating her conspiracy theory over and over and bring on multiple supposed experts to also reassert the claim even after it was debunked? Or did she say it one time?

>>So did Rachel Maddow devote hours and hours of air time repeating her conspiracy theory over and over and bring on multiple supposed experts to also reassert the claim even after it was debunked?

Yes, literally.

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/12/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-see...

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Post by dwaite »

us0r wrote: post #52
rspeele wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, one of the things you are expected to accept right off the bat going into the conspiracy "evidence" is that all of these companies are essentially the same entity: Diebold, Dominion, Sequoia, SmartMatic, and Edison Research. Once you buy that, you'll also buy that they're all owned by communist China.

I thought it was Venezuela?

Venezuela, China, Cuba, Russia, North Korea and France are all the same country.

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Post by ibejoeb »

rspeele wrote: post #45
ibejoeb wrote: post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

Can you give an example of what you would characterize as "smears against people who call for entirely reasonable verification"? And while you're at it, who you consider a "top-tier expert"? It seems to me that the people getting served with lawsuits weren't just concerned about vulnerabilities and calling for verification, they were outright claiming that the election was stolen. And stating made-up ideas about how…

> who you consider a "top-tier expert"?

The authors: https://media.defcon.org/DEF%20CON%2027/voting-village-repor...

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Post by ibejoeb »

stonesixone wrote: post #65
ibejoeb wrote: post #3

> Smartmatic accused Rupert Murdoch’s network of promoting a false narrative about the 2020 election I can't wait to see the evidence. That'll prove that the devices are auditable. They are, right? If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it…

> If anyone in government really wants to have a notable legacy, here's how: petition the USDS to create an integrated open-source election system, and get people like Matt Blaze and Harri Hursti to run a red team against it. Check out the nonprofit VotingWorks, which is far along in already doing this: https://github.com/votingworks For example, their system has been used in Mississippi in real elections.

Awesome, thank you.

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Post by dmode »

harry8 wrote: post #54

And this right here is why so many people have been dead against voting machines. Even if you think you understand them, most voters can't. Most voters have no idea what to look for to see signs of fraud. Ballot papers are understood by everyone. Just about every voter knows when they're seeing something happen with ballot papers that is suspect. Just about every voter knows when there really isn't anything remotely…

No amount of election security will satisfy a authoritarian populist. If you move to entire paper ballot, then the allegations will move to ballot stuffing, illegal voting, and other stuff. It’s best not to pay attention to these people

Re: Fox News Is Sued by Election Technology Company for over $2.7B

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Post by pie_flavor »

jimjimjim wrote: post #19

There must be repercussions for lies. There must be. It's not a free speech issue.

Emperor Trump thinks this is a great idea, and institutes a Department of Truth to decide what is true and prosecute liars. For example, if someone makes the baseless lie that Joe Biden won the 2020 election, they're going to be looking at some jail time.

Yes. It absolutely is a free speech issue. In fact, criticism of the government, e.g. election processes, is specifically mentioned in the First Amendment.

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