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Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by Natsu » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

gcblkjaidfj wrote: post #57

Natsu wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you say the ouster of Dilma was illegitimate, there's the fact that her VP served out the rest of her term, then the party lost the next election. There's no "coup" because there was no loss of power by anything other than the democratic process. Now of course there have been all sorts of dirty political dealings, those just aren't described by the word "coup." That said, if some day Bolsonaro or others forms…

Does brazil have a 50c army like china now? > then the party lost the next election. with the running candidate jailed with obviously fabricated evidence and released last year with no conviction. All the while with whatsapp campaigns promoting pizza-gate like conspiracies. > her VP served out the rest of her term that I fully blame on the party picking an extremely right wing to be able to get elected. But don't mak…

> Does brazil have a 50c army like china now?

If it does, I didn't get my 50 Mao cents for posting. And you'd think China would support the Partido dos Trabalhadores (Worker's Party) ideologically, but it's their Mao cents, not mine.

Lula was convicted twice, he only got freed from jail because of a new legal ruling that said that you can't be jailed until all appeals have been heard. That's... not the same as "no convictions" even if you want to claim the judges were both biased.

And I'm not aware of anyone accusing Lula of being a pedophile, though maybe someone did? Everything I remember hearing blamed him for robbing Petrobras. You sure you're not getting Lula confused with "João de Deus"? I thought he was the one who was raping people.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by brwolfgang » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

Natsu wrote: post #28

dyingkneepad wrote: post #15

> “No, we have bigger problems than that to worry about.” Pretty much that. In the "Maslow's pyramid of government-related needs", the doxxing is near the top. People are much more worried with stuff like not dying to covid, not being kidnapped, not dying in traffic, paying the dreaded Boletos (bills), etc. Internet doxxing is dwarfed by the more urgent needs. Brazilians are also sure that exactly zero things are goi…

This says that it leaked Brazilians' name & CPF numbers. CPF being the number that people give to every random shopkeeper to enter that tax lottery. So, it's... not exactly a big secret. To do most official-type things you have to go down to the cartório with your actual ID, not just enter the number. Heck, I've been to places where you had to use one to use the free wifi. Granted, in that particular case, it didn't…

Not just CPF and names were leaked, lots of correlated information was leaked too, such as credit scores, civil status (married, single, etc), gender, birth date, e-mail, phone number, home and work addresses, education level, job, salary, net income, tons of data about bank accounts, even face pictures!

All that data, just available for anyone to dig in and do their worst.

Source (pt-br) https://tecnoblog.net/404838/exclusivo-vazamento-que-expos-2...

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by FalconSensei » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

pelasaco wrote: post #54

I don't see how it can be new. When I lived some years in Brazil (around 1999-2001), and you could buy at a specific street in Sao Paulo, a CD with all the taxes information from every brazilian citizen.

I remember seeing the news, years ago, that a guy was trying to discover were spammers were getting his email. So he created a bunch of emails for different things.

Guess which email started receiving spam very quickly? Yeah, the one he used for taxes

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by FalconSensei » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

cuca_de_chumbo wrote: post #49

Chico75 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably concerns citizens living abroad as well

I was born dual US/Brazil and left Brazil just after turning 18 about 36 years ago, wondering wondering whether I'm in the leak and whether anyone could use my info to open illicit bank accounts, etc. I don't want to be associated with money-laundering, and am too far in headspace from financial-institutions/credit-bureaus to check it out.

If you declared permanent out-of-country move, you (or an impersonator) shouldn't be able to open accounts/buy things - as far as I know.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by kurthr » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:26 PM UTC

dyingkneepad wrote: post #15

> “No, we have bigger problems than that to worry about.” Pretty much that. In the "Maslow's pyramid of government-related needs", the doxxing is near the top. People are much more worried with stuff like not dying to covid, not being kidnapped, not dying in traffic, paying the dreaded Boletos (bills), etc. Internet doxxing is dwarfed by the more urgent needs. Brazilians are also sure that exactly zero things are goi…

Oh, no. It seems much more useful than that. By knowing credit, salary, age, and address... it's much easier to target high "value" targets for for on-line, or more likely in Brazil in person burglary or home invasion. This also gives cover to individuals banks and other organizations to drain large accounts by "guessing" passwords, since now it could be "anyone".

Like Covid, this is likely to be another generational wealth transfer event. It will be interesting to see how much stays in the country, but I expect most of it will.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by rodolphoarruda » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

brwolfgang wrote: post #72

Natsu wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This says that it leaked Brazilians' name & CPF numbers. CPF being the number that people give to every random shopkeeper to enter that tax lottery. So, it's... not exactly a big secret. To do most official-type things you have to go down to the cartório with your actual ID, not just enter the number. Heck, I've been to places where you had to use one to use the free wifi. Granted, in that particular case, it didn't…

Not just CPF and names were leaked, lots of correlated information was leaked too, such as credit scores, civil status (married, single, etc), gender, birth date, e-mail, phone number, home and work addresses, education level, job, salary, net income, tons of data about bank accounts, even face pictures! All that data, just available for anyone to dig in and do their worst. Source (pt-br) https://tecnoblog.net/404838…

Yes, plenty of data for anyone wanting to impersonate you and do social engineering virtually everwhere in the Brazilian territory.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by virgulino » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:40 PM UTC

oscargrouch wrote: post #42

Natsu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The previous government (removed illegitimacy in a coup) Dilma was impeached and removed, Temer finished her term, then Bolsonaro won the election after getting stabbed, and nearly killed, by opposition supporters. I know he's highly controversial, but he did win the election. The removal of Dilma is not normally what one would describe as a "coup." The military junta from 1969, however, is.

What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup".. Yes the congress followed all the legal proceedings, but in the end they did not proved that the accounting maneuver her government did was illegal and therefore unfit to what could be called as a legal impeachment proceeding. If you add this to everything that was happening behind the curtains, and hi…

> What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup"..

That is inventing new words and definitions for your convenience. It cuts both ways, one can say it was a "democratic coup", a "constitutional coup", a "popular coup" (more than 60% of the population in favour), a "coup against tyranny and poverty" (worst reduction in GDP in 120 years), etc.

Listen to one of our most respected historians, https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Aar%C3%A3o_Reis , an academic awarded for his work on dictatorship and democracy, who also fought against our dictatorship in a guerrilla war, founded the PT, Dilma's party, and worked in many of the PT governments: it was not a coup.

https://oglobo.globo.com/brasil/artigo-impeachment-golpe-dem...

Lula, Dilma and her party tried to impeach Social Democrat President Fernando Henrique 45 (forty five!) times.

By your own definition, they tried 45 coups, making them the biggest coupists in Brasil's history.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by virgulino » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:45 PM UTC

gcblkjaidfj wrote: post #57

Natsu wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if you say the ouster of Dilma was illegitimate, there's the fact that her VP served out the rest of her term, then the party lost the next election. There's no "coup" because there was no loss of power by anything other than the democratic process. Now of course there have been all sorts of dirty political dealings, those just aren't described by the word "coup." That said, if some day Bolsonaro or others forms…

Does brazil have a 50c army like china now? > then the party lost the next election. with the running candidate jailed with obviously fabricated evidence and released last year with no conviction. All the while with whatsapp campaigns promoting pizza-gate like conspiracies. > her VP served out the rest of her term that I fully blame on the party picking an extremely right wing to be able to get elected. But don't mak…

> with the running candidate jailed with obviously fabricated evidence and released last year with no conviction

That is factually false, and very very easy to fact check.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by kroltan » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:49 PM UTC

fmntf wrote: post #65

reaperducer wrote: post #33

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Some humans are likely completely off grid and not on record anywhere. Quite a few, including a good percentage of my relatives. One is particularly good at it. Aside from the wages his employer reports to the federal government, property ownership records, and an SSN, he simply doesn't exist. His get paid each week in cash. Doesn't have a bank account or credit card. Because of his lifestyle and the type of vehicle…

Please, do not misunderstand my question as a judgment or whatever. May I ask the (approximate, country/continent) location where your relative lives?

A "SSN" was mentioned, so likely U.S.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by rightbyte » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 9:53 PM UTC

iandanforth wrote: post #70

Man, why can't we get some useful data leaks? Like all the records from companies incorporated in DE, or all the tax records from companies and rich people or another one from offshore account havens.

Ever heard of the Panama Papers?