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Is it even legal?
Yes it is legal. Here is the motion: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/davidryucc/pages/2849/...
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I think you underestimate American willingness to tell authority figures to go fuck themselves. I don't have a better way of phrasing that. This is, perhaps, both the best and worst part of our culture. On the one hand, it gives you rebels that challenge the status quo. That don't take "no" or "that's impossible" for an answer. On the other hand, it gives you a population that would slice off their own noses if the g…
> best and worst part of our culture I admire your ability to see the silver lining. I see it as selfishness to the point of toxicity. I think the ship has sailed on asking people to wear masks. These people--whether they have a borderline ODD tendency to "question authority" and "stick it to the man" for the sake of "personal freedom" (read: selfish masquerading as principled), or if they just can't care about how t…
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> best and worst part of our culture I admire your ability to see the silver lining. I see it as selfishness to the point of toxicity. I think the ship has sailed on asking people to wear masks. These people--whether they have a borderline ODD tendency to "question authority" and "stick it to the man" for the sake of "personal freedom" (read: selfish masquerading as principled), or if they just can't care about how t…
The late Randy Pausch, in his Last Lecture[1] at Carnegie Mellon University, offered up... well, a lot of great advice, but the piece that jumped into my mind was: "It’s very important to know when you’re in a pissing match. And it’s very important to get out of it as quickly as possible." This thing looks awfully like a pissing match, and it's not just with the one homeowner in Hollywood -- it's with every person th…
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100% yes. Like you would not believe.
I don't get it. > Haha! They shut us down! We sure showed them! Wouldn't they rather being able to continue partying with the power on?
So the city stops nothing and the people keep party. Sounds like they will win.
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Because your right to stay free from Covid, requires people to behave in a certain way (masks, social distancing) which is at odds with the right to self determination. Sure, it's stupid, but people should be allowed to make stupid decisions for themselves. Not saying I agree but I definitely see the freedom issue.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination Maybe I don’t understand what self-determination means, but wearing a mask and keeping 6 ft of distance from another person, does not prevent one from participating in government. I am waiting for people to advocate their free speech rights are being violated for not being allowed to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater.
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I've actually had a couple of law classes and worked in an environment where legal stuff drove a lot of stuff at the company. I think this is one of those situations where you want to survive this situation well enough to have (the threat of) the sorts of problems down the road that you are worried about rather than having worse problems because so many people died in the pandemic that the fabric of society has falle…
I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? That's within the law already, and people in jail can't throw house parties.
This is an existing tool, and it's one that the occupants were warned would be used if they continued their violations.
Criminal charges are slower, and don't do as much to stop the immediate threat without custodial arrest and pretrial confinement, either in jail, which itself is a public health issue, especially when high-risk transmission behavir is involved, or in separate isolation (which IIRC is available for public health order violations but is manpower intensive.)
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They got multiple warnings. This is kind of like that Bruce Willis movie scene where his wife tries to say her affair with his best friend was "an accident" and he says something like "Whoops! I fell down and my dick accidentally ended up in your wife." If you don't want your water cut off, don't invite your 200 closest friends over during a pandemic, two weeks after they announced this was a potential consequence an…
I'm just waiting for the HN response to a news article in a few years where this practice has expanded to the point that an elderly couple dies of dehydration and heat exhaustion after the city cuts off their power and water for failing to properly maintain the sidewalk out front. This power & water cutoff thing was originally introduced in 2019 to combat unauthorized commercial cannabis farming as an alternative to…
Uh, the main existing tool for property nuisances is forfeiture. While in this specific case I would enthusiastically support the use of that tool, I don't think it's a more modest or restrained response than what has been given.
It's like arguing “we've authorized use of guns for this problem for centuries, why are we taking the extreme step of bringing out a taser?”
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I don't get it. > Haha! They shut us down! We sure showed them! Wouldn't they rather being able to continue partying with the power on?
They can buy generators and pay for it with cover charges. So the city stops nothing and the people keep party. Sounds like they will win.
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Joke aside, I’m serious. How is throwing big parties in the middle of a pandemic a’freedom’ issue?? The house was warned many times and now they’re facing a reasonable repercussion.
Because your right to stay free from Covid, requires people to behave in a certain way (masks, social distancing) which is at odds with the right to self determination. Sure, it's stupid, but people should be allowed to make stupid decisions for themselves. Not saying I agree but I definitely see the freedom issue.
Here is the full text of the decision - it’s a very interesting read on both sides of the argument:
https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1142/5020...
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For people who glaringly have too much money to even care about it is a fine really a punishment?
It is if you scale the fine based on their income. Also, an idea: rather than handing fines and fees to the government -- which incentivizes all kinds of bad behavior, from civil forfeiture to crazy permitting laws -- you stick it in a general fund, and hand it back -- evenly distributed -- to the taxpayer as a dividend at the end of the year. Do that for every bit of revenue that government makes outside of collecti…
Imagine a town where the police always ticket passing cars for 1000 dollars per violation, except when the car belongs to a town member in good standing in which case they just give a warning.