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LA Mayor Shuts Off Power at Hollywood Hills House That Hosted Large Parties

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Re: LA Mayor Shuts Off Power at Hollywood Hills House That Hosted Large Parties

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I don’t recall reading anything about freedom to make unbelievably stupid, selfish decisions in the US constitution.

It's mentioned about 30 times. Ctrl+F "vote"

Joke aside, I’m serious. How is throwing big parties in the middle of a pandemic a’freedom’ issue?? The house was warned many times and now they’re facing a reasonable repercussion.

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The leading countries are Australia, NZ, South Korea etc: https://covid19.healthdata.org The estimate is that the US will be at 300,000 deaths by end of year. Whilst NZ will be at 22. US is 65x more populous so if they adopted similar policies would have been at 1430 deaths. And it could even be a million deaths by the time a vaccine is readily available. And people like to bring up the island nonsense but fact is th…

We are locked down here in Auckland, and had an admission to ICU today - I hope you are right that the death toll doesn’t rise. The new outbreak has been a bit of a shock out of complacency. I wouldn’t choose to be in any other country at the moment, but this second lockdown has caused much more negativity than the first. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/424048/covid-19-what-hap...

There seems to be a certain amount of spin in news coverage of New Zealand too. Like, I was amazed to find out that New Zealand's prime minister had been repeatedly telling everyone that workers in quarantine hotels were being tested weekly for two months, when in reality most of them had never been tested at all, then blamed the staff for not getting tested. Then, when everyone was finally tested, a maintenance worker tested positive and it was traced back to someone quarantined there over a fortnight earlier that he'd never had any kind of contact with, implying there was some intermediate case that went undetected due to the lack of testing and that it's probably too late to identify them via testing now. This seems like something that would be a major political scandal if done by someone the press didn't want to portray as a success, but it just seems to have been quietly glossed over by the news coverage in places like the UK and even somewhat in their local news.

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The leading countries are Australia, NZ, South Korea etc: https://covid19.healthdata.org The estimate is that the US will be at 300,000 deaths by end of year. Whilst NZ will be at 22. US is 65x more populous so if they adopted similar policies would have been at 1430 deaths. And it could even be a million deaths by the time a vaccine is readily available. And people like to bring up the island nonsense but fact is th…

Germany has 9000 fatalities with 81 million people. If we extrapolate the US should have maybe 40000. And Germany has basically open borders with 10 countries directly and with about 30 through Schengen. And a much higher population density.

I think that is much better comparison than New Zealand.

Though there is one massive difference Germans hate having freedom and are not willing to die for it from Covid.

On a more serious note, this looks like a symptom of some fundamental crack in a fabric of US/UK etc societies where the baseline trust is almost non-existant (towards government, science, institutions).

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The point is clear; whether this action will advance public health goals is not.

Well, as long as they keep taking this action consistently, it seems pretty clear that it will advance public health goals.

I think you underestimate American willingness to tell authority figures to go fuck themselves.

I don't have a better way of phrasing that.

This is, perhaps, both the best and worst part of our culture.

On the one hand, it gives you rebels that challenge the status quo. That don't take "no" or "that's impossible" for an answer.

On the other hand, it gives you a population that would slice off their own noses if the government told them that having one was mandatory.

I think our best course of action would have been to just... ask.

Across the board.

Republicans and Democrats, carnivores and vegetarians, people that understand that the toilet paper needs to go over the top of the roll and inhuman monsters bent on the destruction of all that is good in the world... all of them needed to agree that Masks Probably Couldn't Hurt And We Should Just Wear The Damn Things.

Do everybody a solid, and wear a mask. No, we won't fine you, or shoot you.

There's nothing to rebel against when people just sort of shrug and go "okay, whatever".

Also, work overtime to make the masks cool.

I think we'd have a higher rate of mask use with the Carrot and the Meh, as opposed to just the Stick.

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It's mentioned about 30 times. Ctrl+F "vote"

Joke aside, I’m serious. How is throwing big parties in the middle of a pandemic a’freedom’ issue?? The house was warned many times and now they’re facing a reasonable repercussion.

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Scroll to 1:08: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87tlULQxfR8 (this channel is like the TMZ for youtuber/tiktok)

I'm absolutely dumbfounded by the ignorance and stupidity on display here. Beyond that, I simply don't understand the appeal of this kind of influencer: she has literally nothing interesting to say and what she does say she delivers in the most aggravating cartoon parody of the "valley girl" stereotype and clearly with no sense of irony. What kind of role model is this for young people? Just awful.

I'm not sure she has much appeal. As the first comment says "Most of these people Idk. I’m just watching because I’m bored".

If you're willing to expose your private life and you have access to parties of actual celebrities, then you're going to get some amount of attention by people scrolling their feeds and auto-playing YT recommendations.

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A simple fine or some other existing punishment would have sufficed. The legal system has had the tools to deal with rule breakers for centuries already. Cutting off water and electricity for order violations sets a very bad precedent, and is highly irresponsible. I'm shocked that it's even legal to do so.

They got multiple warnings. This is kind of like that Bruce Willis movie scene where his wife tries to say her affair with his best friend was "an accident" and he says something like "Whoops! I fell down and my dick accidentally ended up in your wife." If you don't want your water cut off, don't invite your 200 closest friends over during a pandemic, two weeks after they announced this was a potential consequence an…

I'm just waiting for the HN response to a news article in a few years where this practice has expanded to the point that an elderly couple dies of dehydration and heat exhaustion after the city cuts off their power and water for failing to properly maintain the sidewalk out front.

This power & water cutoff thing was originally introduced in 2019 to combat unauthorized commercial cannabis farming as an alternative to criminal charges (which is not terrible because no human basic needs are being withheld in a commercial context).

Now suddenly it's being expanded to combat residential ordinance violations, which is a quantum leap in bad ideas. I'm surprised that nobody sees the problem here, especially the enlightened HN crowd. It's not like there haven't been sufficient tools to deal with property nuisances & safety violations for hundreds of years in ways that are effective against both rich and poor, and especially not tools that can lead to such terrible consequences for the poor as we slide down this slippery slope.

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They got multiple warnings. This is kind of like that Bruce Willis movie scene where his wife tries to say her affair with his best friend was "an accident" and he says something like "Whoops! I fell down and my dick accidentally ended up in your wife." If you don't want your water cut off, don't invite your 200 closest friends over during a pandemic, two weeks after they announced this was a potential consequence an…

I'm just waiting for the HN response to a news article in a few years where this practice has expanded to the point that an elderly couple dies of dehydration and heat exhaustion after the city cuts off their power and water for failing to properly maintain the sidewalk out front. This power & water cutoff thing was originally introduced in 2019 to combat unauthorized commercial cannabis farming as an alternative to…

I've actually had a couple of law classes and worked in an environment where legal stuff drove a lot of stuff at the company.

I think this is one of those situations where you want to survive this situation well enough to have (the threat of) the sorts of problems down the road that you are worried about rather than having worse problems because so many people died in the pandemic that the fabric of society has fallen apart and some of the rich people with bunkers in New Zealand are hunkering down there while the not rich remain stranded in what is left of the US.

Re: LA Mayor Shuts Off Power at Hollywood Hills House That Hosted Large Parties

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I'm just waiting for the HN response to a news article in a few years where this practice has expanded to the point that an elderly couple dies of dehydration and heat exhaustion after the city cuts off their power and water for failing to properly maintain the sidewalk out front. This power & water cutoff thing was originally introduced in 2019 to combat unauthorized commercial cannabis farming as an alternative to…

I've actually had a couple of law classes and worked in an environment where legal stuff drove a lot of stuff at the company. I think this is one of those situations where you want to survive this situation well enough to have (the threat of) the sorts of problems down the road that you are worried about rather than having worse problems because so many people died in the pandemic that the fabric of society has falle…

I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? That's within the law already, and people in jail can't throw house parties.
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