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Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

I thought the plot by patriarchy was trying to keep women at home instead of in the workforce?

It’s not 1962. It’s not that simplistic. But talk to literally any mother in literally any white collar job. “I’m expecting” or even “we’re thinking of having kids” results in fewer projects, getting turned down for promotions, and if you’re in a technical role, you’re pushed into management ASAP. I get that I’m a stranger on the internet, but you gotta trust me on this. This isn’t random/sometimes — this is CONSTANT. And it’s not even all malicious! It just comes from a place of, I would say, well-intended ignorance.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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> punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave How is that a punishment? You are not entitled to money that you did not earn.

So, effectively, women are just too stupid to have abortions or to sell their babies for a good price directly after giving birth? I might have misunderstood you, but what you said sounds like women actually had a choice. The only choices they have are those frowned upon by a large part of society.

> women are just too stupid to have abortions or to sell their babies for a good price directly after giving birth?

...what? Not sure what this has to do with stupidity.

> but what you said sounds like women actually had a choice

They do. They can use protection, abort, or simply stay without a wage during the time of pregnancy.

Or... they could accept the maternity leave as a gift if their employer decides to provide it.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Having a baby is such a crucial and important event in any woman's life that a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave seems like a viable mandated right I would whole-heartedly support.

As an employer, why would you choose to hire women who you knew you would have to pay a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave to as opposed to a man without that risk?

This is why paid maternal leave is forced on employers in European countries, so that they have no choice but to do so.

Employers factor in that risk in their employee payment budget, build up reserves for it in accounting (same as they do with people falling sick or having regular PTO), in some cases governments step in and subsidize wages and that's it.

Employers as a class in general will not ever hand away such things voluntarily, they had to be fought for violently over a hundred years ago in collective action.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

> punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave How is that a punishment? You are not entitled to money that you did not earn.

Women are not entitled to money during maternity leave. Just like you are not entitled to having a highway to drive on when going to work. But a prosperous society lead by competent people decides those things are worth paying for via taxes.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Potential upstream causes: "One is social distancing, which may have cut down on the amount of general infection from contact with others. Another is less air pollution, from fewer cars being on the roads." I'd love to see increased incentive for cities to act hastily on reducing <pm2.5 air pollution. Talk about a covert inequality exacerbator.

It’s possible one of the worst long term pollution problems is from tire wear which is not addressed by cleaner running vehicles, so there’s multiple avenues to address there but most solutions only address the fuel/exhaust, was a hacker news story earlier this year.

Electric (both fully and hybrid) vehicles have the advantage over fuel cell, LNG/CNG and conventional ICE engines in that they can massively reduce brake pad wear/dust by regenerative braking, so only tire wear remains as an issue.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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So, effectively, women are just too stupid to have abortions or to sell their babies for a good price directly after giving birth? I might have misunderstood you, but what you said sounds like women actually had a choice. The only choices they have are those frowned upon by a large part of society.

> women are just too stupid to have abortions or to sell their babies for a good price directly after giving birth? ...what? Not sure what this has to do with stupidity. > but what you said sounds like women actually had a choice They do. They can use protection, abort, or simply stay without a wage during the time of pregnancy. Or... they could accept the maternity leave as a gift if their employer decides to provid…

So glad here in Australia we aren't at the whims of if our employer chooses to give us maternity leave or not :-)

https://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/maternity-and-parental-lea...

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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You seem to be dunking on them for making a qualitative judgement, but they made a comparative one.

No, I'm dunking on them for the comparative judgement, that a reason for fewer preterm births might be less-stressed mothers. I think it's very silly to claim that this is lower stress than your typical year just because you don't have to commute.

Maybe we should all refrain from speaking for all pregnant women without having any facts to support it.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

I think we need to move past the genderization of capitalism (an abstract force) into "patriarchy" -- Capitalism has no interest in gender, age, or pretty much anything relating to human qualities. The trending force for capitalism is to have humans automated away -- let alone be given free money to have a baby. I actually find the notion of "patriarchy" incredibly sexist -- were not men the canaries in the coalmine…

The Stanford kid wants to be Peter Thiel when he grows up.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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So both the taxpayer and the employer have to fund their decision to become pregnant, huh? This is quite sad, I am glad that I do not live in Australia, especically when combined with its politicians saying "genius" things such as https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathema..., its new encryption law, and its porn censorship.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

I think we need to move past the genderization of capitalism (an abstract force) into "patriarchy" -- Capitalism has no interest in gender, age, or pretty much anything relating to human qualities. The trending force for capitalism is to have humans automated away -- let alone be given free money to have a baby. I actually find the notion of "patriarchy" incredibly sexist -- were not men the canaries in the coalmine…

> I actually find the notion of "patriarchy" incredibly sexist -- were not men the canaries in the coalmine -- the original victims -- for the dehumanization of capitalism?

"Patriarchy" is intertwined with the means of production but is also distinct therefrom. Women in Victorian England were not fully legally recognized as persons and did not have the same property rights as their husbands, and this is in a period during which capitalism obtained in England. This arrangement with men as the "patriarch" of the household, exercising control over subaltern women, predates capitalism by millenia (c.f. Roman "pater familias").

This "patriarchy" doesn't only consist of formal law, but may exist in tradition and social mores. For example adultery may be technically equally penalized for men and women but carry a vastly greater stigma and punishment in practice for women, as in feudal China. As another example, women may technically have recourse to the law if they are subjected to domestic violence but be prevented from doing this by the fear of social opprobrium and further mistreatment by family and community, as was again the case in Victorian England. "Patriarchy" doesn't refer to any concerted effort or plot, but is a description of the outcome of social institutions and cultural attitudes which, AS A SYSTEM, disadvantage women.

> capitalism ... should be understood as an abstract, inhuman force

Capitalism, and patriarchy, are BOTH generally understood as being systemic: i.e. properties of human institutions. The concepts DO NOT inherently place blame on individuals, or even make judgments about the morality of the system.

Whether or not our society exhibits patriarchy is an empirical question, to be answered with reference to data. Arising from but separate from this, there is the ethical question of value-judgment about the society. But there is absolutely no basis to call the notion of patriarchy "sexist".

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