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Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by irrational » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:19 AM UTC

motakraxxer wrote: post #49

tasogare wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Late stage pregnancy mothers legitimately need less physical strain and more opportunity to take care of their bodies or the baby comes early. Keeping the same active pace of work for a few weeks in the third trimester can cost years of additional effort and suffering as a premature baby may accrue permanent damage. You are rediscovering why in traditional societies woman stop working when getting pregnant. This is…

The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

I thought the plot by patriarchy was trying to keep women at home instead of in the workforce?

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by GekkePrutser » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:23 AM UTC

nostromo wrote: post #8

Heart attacks are similarly down 40-60%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doc... And cancer diagnoses are down by half. https://youtu.be/TWF8KLKy-I0 Of course, no, they aren’t down, it’s just that people that absolutely should be going to the hospital aren’t and they’re endangering their lives trying to avoid COVID-19. Could something similar be at play here? I laughed out loud when they sugge…

Yeah I was thinking the same.. This is not a low stress time. I've not been so stressed (and depressed) for a long time.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by dependenttypes » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:24 AM UTC

motakraxxer wrote: post #49

tasogare wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Late stage pregnancy mothers legitimately need less physical strain and more opportunity to take care of their bodies or the baby comes early. Keeping the same active pace of work for a few weeks in the third trimester can cost years of additional effort and suffering as a premature baby may accrue permanent damage. You are rediscovering why in traditional societies woman stop working when getting pregnant. This is…

The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

> punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave

How is that a punishment? You are not entitled to money that you did not earn.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by analbumcover » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:24 AM UTC

ratsoman2 wrote: post #51

Fiveplus wrote: post #46

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Having a baby is such a crucial and important event in any woman's life that a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave seems like a viable mandated right I would whole-heartedly support.

As an employer, why would you choose to hire women who you knew you would have to pay a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave to as opposed to a man without that risk?

Most developed countries have figured this out. Some set amount of parental leave can be used by the parents of the child with the government paying some percentage of their usual salary instead of the employer. In Sweden the parents get a total of 480 days paid at 80% of their salary.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by Ueland » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:24 AM UTC

ratsoman2 wrote: post #51

Fiveplus wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a baby is such a crucial and important event in any woman's life that a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave seems like a viable mandated right I would whole-heartedly support.

As an employer, why would you choose to hire women who you knew you would have to pay a mandated pre-delivery-full-pay leave to as opposed to a man without that risk?

This has already been solved in multiple countries. For instance here in Norway, the leave goes for both parents. There is something like 12 months that can be shared between the parents, and both have around a month of leave just at the birth.

Even asking about pregnancy/child plans in a interview is illegal.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by GekkePrutser » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:24 AM UTC

acituan wrote: post #48

nostromo wrote: post #8

Heart attacks are similarly down 40-60%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doc... And cancer diagnoses are down by half. https://youtu.be/TWF8KLKy-I0 Of course, no, they aren’t down, it’s just that people that absolutely should be going to the hospital aren’t and they’re endangering their lives trying to avoid COVID-19. Could something similar be at play here? I laughed out loud when they sugge…

> Of course, no, they aren’t down, it’s just that people that absolutely should be going to the hospital aren’t and they’re endangering their lives trying to avoid COVID-19. Do we have any clear data for this link of causality ? Isn't it just one guess among many as to why? It is unlikely single factor explains the entirety of the changes in these metrics and I actually doubt healthcare usage reluctance will turn out…

Here in Spain it's almost impossible to see a doctor if you're not dropping dead.

If I try to book an appointment with my GP it tells me I can't, they only do over the phone consultancies unless it's an emergency.

So at least here it's not even reluctance but rather the lack of possibility to see a doctor.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by novok » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:26 AM UTC

swsieber wrote: post #47

peter5878 wrote: post #28

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The contribution of tire and brake pad wear is really quite low compared to other sources of air pollution. From Evangeliou et al. (2020), Atmospheric transport is a major pathway of microplastics to remote regions, page 3: "Surface concentrations of tire wear particles (TWPs) range between a few ng.m−3 and 20 ng.m−3 for PM2.5 and up to 50 ng.m−3 for PM10 (Supplementary Movie 1). Brake wear particle (BWP) surface con…

But the type of pollution does matter. An important question is does it have a greater impact. And given the studies linking health to distance from the freeway, I think that question needs further investigation.

Electrics have less brake wear and probably more tire wear due to weight increases.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by GekkePrutser » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:29 AM UTC

moralestapia wrote: post #7

Air pollution is something to be taken very seriously, Regarding that (and since we are hackers here), I bought myself one of these last year: https://m5stack.com/products/pm-2-5-sensor-usb-power-sht20 Pretty affordable and it works really well, readings match another device I have which was much more costly. Since then I turn it on from time to time, I live in an apartment near a highway, I am impressed by: How much…

You can also check the quality in your neighbourhood at the luftdaten website. Many people have sensors already wired up! It's originally a German project but now there's many sensors worldwide.

https://deutschland.maps.sensor.community/#2/50.1/49.7

I use this to measure the outside PM2.5 and PM10 which did indeed drop a lot during the lockdown. Inside I have a Xiaomi air purifier which also measures PM2.5. Everything's wired up to home assistant.

I don't see many issues indoor, it never really exceeds 10, even when I'm cooking or vacuuming (though the kitchen is on the other side of the house). I thought it wasn't working right, in fact, but then one time there was a small fire outside in a bin. I just smelled it a bit in the house, there was no visible smoke, but the purifier went right up to 200 (and beyond) in seconds :)

But I can recommend getting a purifier, it does really help. I have bad hayfever and when I have the thing off for a day I really feel it (during the hayfever season of course).

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by ancientworldnow » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:29 AM UTC

GekkePrutser wrote: post #62

nostromo wrote: post #8

Heart attacks are similarly down 40-60%. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/well/live/coronavirus-doc... And cancer diagnoses are down by half. https://youtu.be/TWF8KLKy-I0 Of course, no, they aren’t down, it’s just that people that absolutely should be going to the hospital aren’t and they’re endangering their lives trying to avoid COVID-19. Could something similar be at play here? I laughed out loud when they sugge…

Yeah I was thinking the same.. This is not a low stress time. I've not been so stressed (and depressed) for a long time.

There's lots of evidence from fitness tracker companies that most people (who use fitness trackers at least) are indeed less stressed.

Re: Fewer premature babies born since Covid-19 lockdown

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Post by jlg23 » Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 6:37 AM UTC

dependenttypes wrote: post #63

motakraxxer wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The plot by patriarchy is not asking women to stop working during the third trimester. The plot is to ignore those needs and punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave or holding their pregnancy against them when they come back to the workforce.

> punish women who stop working by not paying them maternity leave How is that a punishment? You are not entitled to money that you did not earn.

So, effectively, women are just too stupid to have abortions or to sell their babies for a good price directly after giving birth?

I might have misunderstood you, but what you said sounds like women actually had a choice. The only choices they have are those frowned upon by a large part of society.