Once I gave up on Scroll Revserser, I found Mos[1] as another option for this need. It just got a new v3 release and allows for toggleable smooth scrolling, as well as very granular scrolling options on top of the scroll reversing. I'm a big fan.
Show HN: UnnaturalScrollWheels – Better scroll wheel settings for macOS
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Re: Show HN: UnnaturalScrollWheels – Better scroll wheel settings for macOS
#72On my Dell XPS running Ubuntu, I have the touch pad set to "natural" scrolling but I also use a mouse and have that set to traditional scrolling. I find I like this combination a lot, so being able to set up my Mac the same way would be great. As for why I like them to be different, I think it's all about the tactile experience. I find using the trackpad to be very much like using a touch screen on a phone. In both c…
> As for why I like them to be different, I think it's all about the tactile experience. I find using the trackpad to be very much like using a touch screen on a phone. My personal experience is that after years of keeping the "natural" scroll setting enabled, my scroll wheel has gained some of that tactile feeling in my brain. It's like the wheel is the content, and I'm pushing it up and down with my finger. However…
Interesting observation. I've never taken the time to try to retrain myself to use a mouse in natural mode. This is in part due to the fact that I am a Linux system administrator and I am often working on systems that aren't mine. I think it would be very confusing if the mouse on my Linux workstation worked one way and everyone else's worked differently.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that Apple has let the messaging get really confused. Right—part of Apple's job is to create an environment where the "correct path" is clear and developers want to follow it. Either Apple used to do a better job, or else developers did. And, consider: • Apple encourages developers to distribute via the Mac App Store as much as possible. • Preference Panes cannot be sold in the…
> In Catalina, all Safari extensions must be installed from the App Store as individual apps. Not true, you can distribute outside of the App Store as long as you sign/notarize correctly.
Thanks—for some reason I thought the App Extensions were uniquely App Store-locked, but what you said makes much more sense!
I think I was getting confused with old-style extensions and the Safari Extension gallery, for which sideloading was truly blocked for around a year.
Re: Show HN: UnnaturalScrollWheels – Better scroll wheel settings for macOS
#74Disabling acceleration is a big feature here, again something that makes sense on a trackpad but does not on a scroll wheel. It's infuriating switching between Linux/Windows/macOS _with the same mouse_ and only macOS has acceleration. Logitech Options doesn't even give acceleration Also along these lines of bizarre defaults, I don't remember how but I had to change key press settings to allow for repeated presses. Ap…
Speaking of infuriating trackpad issues on macOS: Have you solved the three button problem on Linux/BSD over VNC on MacOS? I had it working on Ubuntu 14 & 16 and FreeBSD 11.3, but now it is busted on 18 and 20. So annoying.
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I have been looking for a solution to this problem for a very long time and my reasoning is that on a trackpad, natural makes a lot of sense intuitively, since you are "pushing" the document (page/app/whatever) the direction you want it to move. Whereas when I am using a mouse I feel like I the document is below the mouse more or less and when I move the scrollwheel it is physically moving the document as if it was t…
Yeah I think the exact same way! The top of the physical wheel spins the opposite direction of the bottom of the wheel which would be "touching" the page/content. Originally I was going to just make a background script to automatically toggle the option when it detects certain USB devices (like my mouse) but I couldn't find a way to apply settings changed via the "defaults write" command without logging out and then…
I've always pictured scrolling as moving a camera or visor over a static sheet.
Re: Show HN: UnnaturalScrollWheels – Better scroll wheel settings for macOS
#77My solution was SteerMouse. It allows me to individually set every scroll option and mouse speed and acceleration
I also use Steermouse so that I can actually bind the back/forward keys to CMD+[ / CMD+], while also disabling regular pointer acceleration alongside the scroll issues.
I also don't think it runs as an accessibility service, but as a low-level driver.
Downside is that it's not free.
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> Disabling acceleration is a big feature here, again something that makes sense on a trackpad but does not on a scroll wheel. Ah, but it makes sense on Apple scroll wheels! I think that's why they never added a built-in option to disable it. Nowadays the Magic Mouse doesn't even have a physical scroll wheel, but even on the Mighty Mouse, the scroll wheel was a little ball that could roll in any direction and didn't…
I think the magic mouse is treated like a trackpad under the hood so all the gestures work. If someone with a magic mouse tried to uncheck the natural scrolling box under mouse they'd be confused as to why it didn't change so that could be why the two settings are "linked".
Also there's this app called MagicPrefs that allows you to bind things to gestures, including rebinding the system ones. I use it to bind three-finger click as middle click and at this point I can't fathom not having it. It supports all kinds of Apple trackpads and the magic mouse. This implies that all touch gestures, regardless of the shape of the device, share most of the underlying code.
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This is actually Apple's fault more than anyone. I was originally planning to release on the App Store but decided not to after thinking about the $100 a year fee to be in the developer program and the 30% cut Apple would take if it were paid, and that's assuming the app would be approved by Apple in the first place. Although I decided not to release on the App Store I want to keep the option open. Apps on the App St…
...wait a sec. Sandboxed apps have the ability to hijack the scroll wheel when you're using other apps?
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Re: Show HN: UnnaturalScrollWheels – Better scroll wheel settings for macOS
#80Disabling scroll acceleration is a godsend.