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Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by narag »

douglasmurray12 wrote: post #68
narag wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitals tend to attrack most inmigration. As an anecdote, my son's primary class in Madrid had more than a third of inmigrant parents, including Russia, Iran, South America (most) and Morocco. The question, at least for me, is not where you come from, but how well can you integrate. Latins have it easier because we share the language.

Not all capitals - it is a question of policy. Tokyo, for instance, seems to be very different.

Interesting. So in Japan people inmigrate more uniformly?

In Spain is just a matter of opportunities. It's easier to find a job in big cities.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by [deleted] »

ivanbakel wrote: post #9
tristor wrote: post #8

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I think you're being downvoted for having a negative viewpoint, but what you said is very accurate. I'm not French, but I've spent some time in France and loved it. France is a gorgeous country and people were generally friendly and welcoming, Paris is the exception. There are parts of Paris which are nice, but a significant chunk of the city is exceptionally dreary (partly due to architectural design, heavy use of b…

The OP is probably being down voted for the racist dogwhistle in their comment.

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Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by glennpratt »

wozniacki wrote: post #59

Not to put too fine a point, but is this the Paris you've encountered?[1] [2] Do you expect others who've visited Paris to come away with quite a different perception, even being in the same places you were in or objectively no? [1] The Streets of Paris https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Js8wntdk4 [2] Is My "Paris Streets" Video Fake News? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iw1_Zakbb0

> Not to put too fine a point, but is this the Paris you've encountered?

It's absolutely part of it. I actually have no idea what your fine point is. Please spell it out for me.

> Do you expect others who've visited Paris to come away with quite a different perception, even being in the same places you were in or objectively no?

I don't think this is an objective conversation. I don't understand how someone couldn't have appreciated the things I did, that's all.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by jacobush »

narag wrote: post #71
douglasmurray12 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all capitals - it is a question of policy. Tokyo, for instance, seems to be very different.

Interesting. So in Japan people inmigrate more uniformly? In Spain is just a matter of opportunities. It's easier to find a job in big cities.

Nah, as far as I know there is no such policy:

https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00398/the-changing-fac...

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv »

Happened to me too, once! I remember passing by the Moulin Rouge, which I imagined like this:

https://cdn.civitatis.com/francia/paris/entradas-moulin-roug...

But instead I saw something like this:

https://dimg02.c-ctrip.com/images/100k1900000162nrc547D_Z_64...

(Plus dirt, bad smell, etc.)

But in general, Paris is a beautiful city with many really nice places. Can be very inspiring for a short stay.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by xtracto »

glennpratt wrote: post #56

We went to Paris in a rainy November, took public transit exclusively and stayed in a building with an elevator that could fit one suitcase, by itself, and a shower about the same size. We saw some homelessness and scams. And yet it was absolutely lovely. I could talk endlessly about the people, the sites, the food (and hardly just French food) and the museums. I'm sort of dumbfounded at people who can't see that. No…

Meh... in every city it depends on the place you visit. San Francisco is horrible due to the extreme amount of homeless, addict and crazy people (I got harassed by one of them in my last visit). Ney York people are assholes (they just shout at you and mock you as tourist when you ask for directions). London was really nice.. but of course I'm talking about Hyde park and surroundings. Liverpool is beautiful, just dont go to Kensington. Paris for me was nice: very dirty but Sacre Cour and Champs Elysees walk was nice. Berlin also very nice.. somewhat messy and full of tourists (me being among them of course).

Mexico city is freaking ugly 90%. And insecure, but if you go to the centre or Santa Fe , you will have a nice experience...

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by douglasmurray12 »

frostburg wrote: post #69
douglasmurray12 wrote: post #60

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But what Paris has become is not somehow a direct consequence of colonialism. Those were two separate decisions, and should be criticized and judged separately.

All those people of Algerian descent surely aren't there by chance.

I could be wrong, but it is my understanding that it was a deliberate policy of the French government after WW2 to invite them in. It is also natural that French-speaking people of the world would prefer to migrate to France.

But if French governments wanted to limit migration from Algeria or elsewhere, they could have done so. It was certainly not an inevitable consequence of colonialism.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by GrayTextIsTruth »

jacobush wrote: post #55
GrayTextIsTruth wrote: post #19

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> What would you "expect" the French to look like Like French, like Europeans. Must France be a “melting pot” too? Why do Americans project so much?

French is very much not a race, and France was very much forged in a melting pot, celts, romans, franks, vikings (the latter both germanic but not exactly the same) etc etc.

You just named the components of the French race.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by 93po »

claudiawerner wrote: post #38
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #36

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Because the only two characteristics Parisian people have are size and race? The very Wikipedia article we happen to be discussing contains " ...Renoux indicates that Japanese media, magazines in particular, often depict Paris as a place where most people on the street look like "stick-thin" models and most women dress in high fashion brands such as Louis Vuitton ...".

Are you familiar with the concept of euphemism and dog whistles? Please tell me what visual (since OP mentioned how Parisians "look") characteristic you presumed OP had in mind.

One of the big stereotypes of Paris is fashion and high society. My assumption was that he was saying people are dressed like slobs, that there's a lot of evidence of poverty, and people don't hold themselves in a manner someone with an idealistic view of Paris and Parisians would imagine.

Having been to Paris myself, all of these are true.

Re: Paris syndrome

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Post by hodgesrm »

_Wintermute wrote: post #29

I've lived in a few big cities but Paris definitely is very different to the others. There are moments when it's like the depictions in the films: quiet boulevards lined with Haussmann apartments sitting ontop of quaint boulangeries. I think this is why it's such a shock when you're faced with the rest of it which is dirty, smelly, noisy, home to 10 million people filled with scam artists and impatient Parisians.

Paris reminds me a lot of San Francisco. Both have world class neighborhoods but also areas that are pretty awful (homelessness, crime, trash, etc.) Personally I find Paris very similar to navigate. The not-do-good parts do not seem much different from the Tenderloin in SF and require the same attention to surroundings.
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