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Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by m0zg »

kzrdude wrote: post #43
m0zg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because most people aren't going to learn yet another language for the privilege of being able to contribute to something.

Vala is probably the easiest way to work with Gtk+ anyway, so might as well be Vala if the stack is Gtk. I don't know Vala well, but wouldn't mind jumping in with it, scares me a lot less than Gtk in C.

Be that as it may, it was a mistake to roll a different language for this in the first place. It's not really useful for anything else, so unless you're totally dying to contribute to GNOME (very few people do), there's no reason whatsoever to learn it.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by haspok »

scythe wrote: post #18

Unfortunately Elementary has so far struggled with the 1920x1080 screen on my Huawei Matebook D (bought a few months before the scandal). I haven't installed Hera yet, but hopefully the new text size option works as well as I'd like it to. Otherwise my experience with Elementary has been... not so bad. The speakers are too quiet for some reason, my university's Wifi won't accept my credentials (every other network is…

Try https://kde.org/applications/graphics/org.kde.kolourpaint - it is the best Paint clone I found so far.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by heinrichhartman »

Installed Elementary on my Dad's Laptop last week. He is 75 now, and got immediately productive with it, using Firefox for Email and Banking.

His Windows machines ALWAYS clogged up with Spy and Malware after a few months. The last time, the suspend function broke and shut-down the PC immediately, instead of suspending it. Reboot took 2minutes+ for _some_ reason.

Contrast this to the Mac Laptop of my mother which is fast, and clean after 5y+ of using it.

Looks like, Windows is untenable for the less computer literate at this point. Too easy to mess up the system.

I have high hopes that Elementary/Linux will stay fast and clean for a while. The old show-stoppers: Installation, Hardware Support and Usability are all working smoothly so far.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by haspok »

How does eOS cope with multiple displays? This is something both Gnome/Unity and KDE suck at.

KDE just gets total confused when I connect or disconnect a new display, windows jump all over the place, sometimes they move out of the visible screen area if I switch between hiDPI and non-hiDPI displays, or even just disconnect and then reconnect a UHD monitor. I've seen some reports pointing fingers at Qt as the main culprit, tbh I don't care, it doesn't work for the end user.

The latest Ubuntu on Gnome at least doesn't get confused, but it does not recognize my monitor sometimes (I have to turn it off then on again, for example when waking up from suspend), and switching between displays takes about 20-30 seconds (I have my laptop screen disabled if a monitor is connected). But it doesn't remember my open windows, nor the past position of my terminal, which is set to auto-exec on login. This is something that works much better in KDE.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by heinrichhartman »

mushufasa wrote: post #4
fouc wrote: post #2

So Elementary OS is essentially what Redhat Linux used to advertise itself as, but never quite was? A comprehensive, integrated desktop OS built on GNU/Linux?

pop! shares dna with elementary (same people worked on both) and probably is closer to that definition. E.g. backed by a company with actual customer support. Different aesthetics though.

The official name is "Pop!_OS" [1,2].

While I have sympathies for System76 and Debian, there is no way I am going to install an OS with this name.

- How am I supposed to pronounce this? pop? popos? pop-OS? What should I do with the special characters?

- What happens if I accidentally paste this into the shell?

- What associations should the name "Pop!_OS" have? Appart from the english "pop open" something, in German there is: "Popo" -> Childs word for "bum", "poppen" -> "to hump". Both not exactly favorable.

Also, who comes up with names like this? Have you talked to any marketing person to this before deciding on a name. If you want professionals to put this on their machines, better make sure it sounds vaguely like something you might be able to put trust into.

[1] https://system76.com/pop

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System76#Pop.21_OS

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by ddtaylor »

haspok wrote: post #74

How does eOS cope with multiple displays? This is something both Gnome/Unity and KDE suck at. KDE just gets total confused when I connect or disconnect a new display, windows jump all over the place, sometimes they move out of the visible screen area if I switch between hiDPI and non-hiDPI displays, or even just disconnect and then reconnect a UHD monitor. I've seen some reports pointing fingers at Qt as the main cul…

Mostly the same as Gnome, since eOS is Gnome based. If you're interested Egee on YouTube does a test called "Distro Delves" on many distros, Elementry included, and one of his tests he does on all of them is multi-monitor support.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by zozbot234 »

fouc wrote: post #2

So Elementary OS is essentially what Redhat Linux used to advertise itself as, but never quite was? A comprehensive, integrated desktop OS built on GNU/Linux?

For as long as it existed, Red Hat Linux was the closest thing to a "standard" choice for Linux desktop users. Comparable perhaps to the role of Debian GNU/Linux today, except that Debian used to be very hard to even install prior to 2005 or so. "A comprehensive, integrated desktop" is a subjective matter though. Plenty of people would say that most Linux distros have been providing that for a long time.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by zozbot234 »

scythe wrote: post #18

Unfortunately Elementary has so far struggled with the 1920x1080 screen on my Huawei Matebook D (bought a few months before the scandal). I haven't installed Hera yet, but hopefully the new text size option works as well as I'd like it to. Otherwise my experience with Elementary has been... not so bad. The speakers are too quiet for some reason, my university's Wifi won't accept my credentials (every other network is…

> a proper Paintbrush clone

What's wrong with xpaint? Quite old of course, but it seems to work fine.

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by asjw »

jstewartmobile wrote: post #25
benbenolson wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is quite a long-running project, and has tens of thousands of man-hours invested in it. Yet you, taking several seconds to post an Internet comment, declare it a "half-assed Linux distro," without even having properly read the website. The Elementary OS project develops many of their own applications, have multiple custom themes, does relentless work ensuring available packages are stable and usable for each rel…

Totally a valid criticism. Elementary is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, which is based on Linux. Most of the value in that chain is the work of others. Last I checked, debian.org & kernel.org don't have a " Pay What You Want " button above the fold. Debian is awesome. Linux is awesome. I'm not going to tip my hat to some guy putting skins on Debian and charging for it.

Linux, which is based on UNIX and implements POSIX

BTW without x86 there would be no Linux and what about the Von Neumann architecture?

How far back should we have to go?

Elementary doesn't even force you to pay, you can use it for free (as in freedom as well)

Re: Elementary OS 5.1 Hera

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Post by zozbot234 »

eptcyka wrote: post #67
saintPirelli wrote: post #31

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Just last week I wrote a blog post about installing eOS on my SO's parents PC. They are not technical at all yet they have had (close to) no problem with switching from Windows to Linux thanks to eOS.

I have the exact opposite experience - the microphone doesn't work, everything is incredibly slow, my SO is buying a Windows 10 licence this christmas. It's a shame, the user was just fine with Cinnamon on Debian 5 years ago, but that machine and software is no longer good enough.

"Linux" and "everything is incredibly slow" should not belong in the same sentence. Did you try installing an up-to-date Debian? Not sure if Debian packages Pantheon desktop already, but there are plenty of workable alternatives.

For the microphone not working, you'd have to check what's going on in Pulseaudio and ALSA - both of these can be problematic at times.

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