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Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by strbean »

pwinnski wrote: post #46
lokar wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just replace "ads" with "personalized ads" in the parent FB is free because they can pay for it with personalized ads. I doubt generic ads would fund the site as it stands today.

If generic ads can't fund FB, that's FB's problem. FB does not have some sort of right-to-exist. Beyond that, if FB goes out of business completely, the world is arguably improved.

But my company depends on torturing puppies! Your anti-puppy-torture legislation will put me out of business!

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by WilliamEdward »

hellofunk wrote: post #2

Time and time we are proven again and again that Facebook has become the emblem of how far technology can go to support pure malicious intention with widespread support.

Tech companies in general have beaten low standards and mediocrity into people's heads. Not only are they okay with using these products, they now try to recreate the same low bar set by the greater industry.

Facebook should be destroyed.

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by Havoc »

buboard wrote: post #35
Havoc wrote: post #27

Congrats on finding a way to circumvent the letter of the law. Think they're about to have an harsh encounter with spirit of the law & European thinking about privacy & consent though.

facebook is probably laughing harder at this. A few billion in fines, combined with low irish taxation is still not big enough to justify pulling out of the EU market. The EU decided a bit too late to build a chinese-style 'firewall' around european tech and it's not really working. Instead they are playing cat and mouse with big corp, which really shows that these laws were mainly meant to have an apotropaeic effect

>The EU decided a bit too late to

Probably. They're the only big guys making a credible effort though. Russia/China won't be doing anything. US & associated lobbying basically IS big tech now.

...leaving just the EU.

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by Hamuko »

rock_hard wrote: post #3

I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand about the fact that ads is what pays for Facebook to exist? It’s a key part of the offering! You get free access and get to see ads in exchange. Others have tried other business models and failed...that’s how the world works, the better offering wins! If the problem people have is ads then just make all ads illegal and we can move on. But trying to use GDPR as a lever i…

>I don’t understand what’s so hard to understand about the fact that ads is what pays for Facebook to exist?

I think most people understand that ads pay for Facebook. But so what? I don't see how it changes anything.

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by Hamuko »

buboard wrote: post #68
Hamuko wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, requiring user consent is exactly the same thing as censoring information not beneficial to the government.

i don't really mean a censorship firewall, rather an attempt to shoo US companies from the EU market the same way that China is protecting its own companies.

So EU companies are allowed to ignore GDPR, as it's just used to shoo away US companies?

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Post by hugi »

buboard wrote: post #64
thierryzoller wrote: post #58

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Your are funny, you say their arguments are not well articulated, yet you do seem not to be up to point. You argue they are regulations? European Regulations are law. European Directives and Regulation are the two main legislative They argue users are using facebook because they want advertising, their primary usage is advertising and for that advertisement they consent to share their data. That's so ridiculous it is…

don't be insulting > European Regulations are law. Regulations have to be implemented and integrated into each country's laws. Countries may not have yet implemented GDPR > their primary usage is advertising I don't see where FB claimed that advertising is primary usage and others are secondary. i can infer from the text that they parceled as part of the "service promise" > FB does not give all the data, the definiti…

Facebook pretends to be GDPR compliant because they have to. Obviously, they're not. Try downloading your data. Try deleting your account. It's all really iffy.

Of course they'll say they're compliant. They have to to be able to operate. But they are not. They are operating illegally within the EU and they should be shut down.

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by buboard »

Havoc wrote: post #73
buboard wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

facebook is probably laughing harder at this. A few billion in fines, combined with low irish taxation is still not big enough to justify pulling out of the EU market. The EU decided a bit too late to build a chinese-style 'firewall' around european tech and it's not really working. Instead they are playing cat and mouse with big corp, which really shows that these laws were mainly meant to have an apotropaeic effect

>The EU decided a bit too late to Probably. They're the only big guys making a credible effort though. Russia/China won't be doing anything. US & associated lobbying basically IS big tech now. ...leaving just the EU.

china already has her own internet ecosystem. Russia has VK,yandex,mail.ru etc. EU has nothing

https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/CN

https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/RU

https://www.alexa.com/topsites/countries/DE

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by Hamuko »

buboard wrote: post #41
twobat wrote: post #24

As an user I feel that GDPR changed nothing. Google, Facebook and whatever else tracks you to the bones did not change one bit (for me). As a sys-admin, GDPR invented all sorts of jobs. Jobs well intended. But these jobs are filled by people that are neither lawyers nor IT people. Whenever I interact with them I feel like they just want to check some boxes that makes the org compliant and go home. They don't enforce…

plus nobody can be sure whether they 're GDPR compliant. I bet facebook thought so too.

Yeah, I bet they're all good boys and girls who couldn't have possibly imagined that all of the secretive ways they go about collecting data could be wrong.

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Post by ur-whale »

Havoc wrote: post #27

Congrats on finding a way to circumvent the letter of the law. Think they're about to have an harsh encounter with spirit of the law & European thinking about privacy & consent though.

Yup, agreed.

IANAL, but my impression of the US legal system vs various (continental) Europe legal systems is the former is completely engrossed with the letter of the law while the latter is much more focused on the spirit of the law.

If FB gets shafted in the processs of discovering this fact of life, all the better.

Re: Facebook: We don’t need your consent

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Post by alkonaut »

wcarron wrote: post #60
alkonaut wrote: post #19

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I don’t mind ads. I mind tracking. Basically my demand is that Facebook show me dumb enough ads and use only data I consent to. Im ok with my age and gender and other things being used to target an ad - that’s information I already willingly gave them. But if they show me an ad based on a page I visited with a Facebook script snippet on it, a message about sneakers I sent to a friend, or a post I liked on Instagram t…

> But if they show me an ad based on a page I visited with a Facebook script snippet on it, a message about sneakers I sent to a friend, or a post I liked on Instagram they crossed a line regardless of what terms and conditions I accepted. Uh, no, they haven't. YOU are responsible for visiting websites and using their services under terms and conditions you agreed to. YOU are responsible for and capable of not using…

> You don’t dictate how they run

Isn’t that what I did when my elected representatives pushed GDPR through though?

The reason there are so few successful services with sensible advertising is simple: it’s too easy to fool people to accepting terrible ads that pay more.

I don’t think users should be expected to know how to edit their hosts file to preserve their integrity. Nor do I think they can be expected to read the ToS (get real).

I want regulation to ensure that idiots cannot agree to ToS that endanger their information or integrity. The GDPR and similar laws, if properly enforced, goes a long way towards that. I especially like the idea that access to the service can’t be conditioned on data collection.

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