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Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by AmericanChopper »

Tossrock wrote: post #67
AmericanChopper wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The parent comment just reads like an ad for windows. Having recently had the displeasure of developing on Windows, WSL is terrible and buggy. I’ve tried it on two different occasions and both times I just ended up going back to PS. That comment will get upvoted because hating Apple is so popular here that even shilling Microsoft will get upvotes when framed like this (I guess the “year of the linux desktop” memes go…

Man, I wish Microsoft was paying me, but I'm just a guy who uses OSX and Windows 10 (and Linux) regularly and doesn't have much of a dog in the fight.

I don’t have a horse in any race, I just hate these delusional circlejerk comments. There’s no world in which WSL offers a legitimate alternative to a real Unix shell, it doesn’t even compete with powershell in terms of usability.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by WalterGR »

alasdair_ wrote: post #44

For me, windows 10 is still an issue. I don’t like being spied on. I don’t like disabling cortana and bing and sending everything i type to microsoft and having my choices overwritten every single update. I don’t like having to delete fucking candy cruah for the third time. Respect the very deliberate choices I made and perhaps I’d use it seriously again.

sending everything i type to microsoft

What do you mean?

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by leereeves »

Tossrock wrote: post #69
leereeves wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not extinguishing perhaps, but appropriating and building upon Linux for their own benefit without giving much back is certainly possible. Google's already done it with Android.

Quite a lot of Google-developed code goes back into the Linux kernel. Look at cgroups - the entire containerization revolution sprung from code Google gave back to Linux.

Did that come out of Android? Google uses Linux itself as a desktop OS too.

Android hasn't led to anything like a mobile Linux. Google took Linux, built Android on top of it, and now owns the mobile space. Apple did something similar using FreeBSD inside OS X.

Microsoft could use Linux in the same way.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by tlamponi »

taneq wrote: post #47
jacobsenscott wrote: post #21

We just got two cheapish windows laptops after many years of not using windows at all. Pros: * Keyboard quality (compared to macbooks) * Low cost * Good physical design if you choose the right brand (thinkpad carbon for example) Cons: * Dark patterns push you hard to connect your account to a skype/xbox/microsoft live/whatever they call it these days account * License key hell is still a thing * Schizophrenic split b…

> Crapware pre-installed The first rule of buying a prebuilt system has always been nuke it from orbit and start from scratch. Sounds like this isn’t changing any time soon.

Yeah, but even if I "nuke it from orbit" with a recent Windows 10 ISO I have to trick around to be able to just create a local account (disconnecting network or entering some form invalid three times, dark pattern stuff) and then if I finally get along I get greeted with a start menu full of candy crush and other crap..

Compare that with and Debian installation, quicker, no dark patterns, and no crap. Fedora works too, AFAICR, but Ubuntu has gone already a bit the M$ way, it seems..

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by t-h-e-chief »

sz4kerto wrote: post #11
joveian wrote: post #3

"Maybe the Microsoft strategy is to intro into the Linux/Java/LAMPish/open-source camp community, burnish their image, and hope they consider their commercial offerings." Try plugging a USB stick with an ext2 partition into Windows 10. At least in 1803, you get TWO dialog boxes asking you to format the partition, with the default being format! In between is another dialog box with just one button. This is the new Mic…

Are you sure that this dialog box comprehensively represents the whole company?

I remember working at a Microsoft HQ building, when they had "Linux is cancer" posters hanging throughout the building. Never heard any Microsoft employees complain about them.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by t-h-e-chief »

jojo14 wrote: post #27

I'm kind of puzzled by this fanboism about "a new MS happening now". The new propaganda is along: "Hey! reset everything you know about MS. The new MS is shiny!". Why would anybody support MS without being a shareholder or without having any financial interest. Given their proven track record it would be pretty obvious to be cautious about MS. IMHO MS have all the reasons to be doomed. They are way behind technically…

Exactly. Microsoft quite ironically they isn't a tech company, it has always being first and foremost a company in the business of making money - who just incidentally happens to hire some really smart technical people, who sometimes produce good products.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by t-h-e-chief »

whalesalad wrote: post #32

Hadn't heard of Nano server at all. Kinda neat to see this entire howto guide is based on (power)shell commands: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/get-started/... They do have a lot of cool new stuff but MS is still the same old MS. Tried doing some RAID driver stuff the other day on a Win 2019 test box and wanted to get hit by a train. I have spent so many years in open source land that I forgot how pa…

Please do not mention Powershell, this is a civil forum.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by t-h-e-chief »

CGamesPlay wrote: post #14
Old_Thrashbarg wrote: post #10

The one thing that has persuaded me the most has been vscode. Until switching to that, I had assumed Microsoft incapable of producing something with excellent design/UX. Also it's open source. Opening Microsoft software every day on my Ubuntu machine and feeling grateful they made it has slowly chipped away at my anti-Microsoft stance.

Man, I have such fond memories of VC6. It was such a great debugging experience. And MSDN was absolutely the best documentation website I've used. I think Microsoft's developer tools have always been high quality.

Agreed, they do have some of the best tooling. Damn, VB6 was one of the most amazing development environments ever made when you think about it - shame the language was so limited.

Still, I did prefer Borland Builder and do prefer Jetbrains Rider.

Re: This isn't your father's Microsoft

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Post by kyriakos »

jacobsenscott wrote: post #21

We just got two cheapish windows laptops after many years of not using windows at all. Pros: * Keyboard quality (compared to macbooks) * Low cost * Good physical design if you choose the right brand (thinkpad carbon for example) Cons: * Dark patterns push you hard to connect your account to a skype/xbox/microsoft live/whatever they call it these days account * License key hell is still a thing * Schizophrenic split b…

The crash you are describing is a manufacturer issue, sounds like a driver preventing proper sleep. Not an excuse, just pointing out.

Also I wouldn't call think pad carbon cheapish

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