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> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…
Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.
Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
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Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…
Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…
Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#74I know of one very large company where any request for a change in their cloud infrastructure always required a minimum two week advanced notice. In AWS such a change is just a mouse click away, and could be done in seconds.
AWS also has a really amazing integration of a large variety of services which is really hard for in-house clouds to match. I wonder how many AWS services the BoA cloud has, and how their own integration of those services matches that of AWS.
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…
Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.
Maybe cloud usage can be an indicator whether a company has plans to maintain independence into the future, despite the loyalty-engendering words of leadership.
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#76Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…
Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.
I mean. You save the headcount in one area and you consume it in another. And you pay overhead in outsourcing costs.
It’s likely worth it. But you need to determine that on a case by case basis.
My (large) company is too incompetent to do hosting properly so cloud was a blessing for us.
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#78In fact they could have saved even more, and earlier, if they had already been in the public cloud, where you can just spin down the VMs and stop paying for them. In your own data center, a server is already sunk cost that you cannot entirely eliminate just by shutting it down.
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#79Am I the only one completely befuddled by this number? What the fuck are they doing with these money and 200k servers? These are facebook numbers. For a bank. What?
Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud
#80I think a strong argument can be made either way. There's definitely financial savings to be had by doing it in-house (either literally or utilizing existing data centers as here). But what I've experienced is that companies are often attracted to Big Cloud™ not just for financial reasons but to flatten/simplify their corporate reporting structure. It is the ultimate delegation. This isn't simply about having fewer s…
Also reducing friction in getting products to market. A small team with their own BigCloud account is probably going to deliver a product to market much faster than one that needs to go through the friction of dealing with the various IT departments which invariably exist at large companies. There is absolutely value to delivering a product to market a year or more sooner than otherwise.
Separate from all of that there is a valid question whether the software stack at a big cloud provider gives your engineering department the ability to deliver features faster at scale and redundancy, and with lower ongoing maintenance overhead. I think this question is very much up for debate.
At a small scale there are absolutely cloud frameworks that let you deploy services without an IT department at large scale. But then there’s a realistic argument of whether the high premium for theoretical scale—when in actuality you’re serving dozens not millions of customers—is worth the high cost of capital.
E.g. several startups of mine have persistent on a couple colocated dedicated servers for over a decade at a cost of $300/mo. The equivalent deployment in the cloud is closer to $3,000/mo.
I know this because I got $300k of Azure credits to play around with and ended up not using most of them. The long-run cost was too high to move to Azure. But there were months when I “spent” $6k of credits on a dozen VMs and associated storage and network that had equivalent performance to my rented bare metal.