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Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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post #66

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> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…

Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.

Nor do you have to pay the rent on the buildings where those things happen.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…

Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.

You can rent dedicated server or onprem ? people always go from cloud to building your own cpu in these threads, never in the middle

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…

Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.

You can outsource the physical data center and connectivity without paying massive premium for a software stack which in many ways requires more expertise to operate at scale and redundancy than the in-house alternative, while costing an order of magnitude more money and locking you into a potential competitor’s ecosystem.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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Many large companies save money by having their own cloud, but those clouds sometimes really suck compared to AWS.

I know of one very large company where any request for a change in their cloud infrastructure always required a minimum two week advanced notice. In AWS such a change is just a mouse click away, and could be done in seconds.

AWS also has a really amazing integration of a large variety of services which is really hard for in-house clouds to match. I wonder how many AWS services the BoA cloud has, and how their own integration of those services matches that of AWS.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…

Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.

If you reduce companies to "developers hiring developers, led by a couple of business people," how resilient will that company be? I'd say it keeps them at a disadvantage for either elimination or acquisition, but dependent nonetheless.

Maybe cloud usage can be an indicator whether a company has plans to maintain independence into the future, despite the loyalty-engendering words of leadership.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.

You can rent dedicated server or onprem ? people always go from cloud to building your own cpu in these threads, never in the middle

Well spotted.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This isn't simply about having fewer staff (although that can reduce internal politics and inefficiencies), but making fewer decisions and more importantly reducing the potential for making the wrong decisions This is a myth directly from cloud providers marketing campaigns: that using the cloud simplifies infrastructure to the point that you don't need as much and/or as qualified staff. In reality it is quite the…

Yeah but you don’t need data center engineers, real estate specialists. Power specialists. Etc.

Sure. You just need more people to keep an eye on what your consumption rates are. Or to handle access control systems or manage service accounts and client certificates, ensure firewalls, additional tooling around firewalls to ensure things aren’t getting exposed outside. Countless cost projections on top of a complicated billing system.

I mean. You save the headcount in one area and you consume it in another. And you pay overhead in outsourcing costs.

It’s likely worth it. But you need to determine that on a case by case basis.

My (large) company is too incompetent to do hosting properly so cloud was a blessing for us.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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Looks like $2B of savings are from reducing the number of servers (200,000 servers earlier to 70,000 now). That has nothing to do with the advantages of a private cloud over public, etc. They were just over-deployed and by reducing the number of servers they would have enjoyed similar savings no matter where they were running them.

In fact they could have saved even more, and earlier, if they had already been in the public cloud, where you can just spin down the VMs and stop paying for them. In your own data center, a server is already sunk cost that you cannot entirely eliminate just by shutting it down.

Re: Bank of America's CEO says it's saved $2B per year by building its own cloud

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I think a strong argument can be made either way. There's definitely financial savings to be had by doing it in-house (either literally or utilizing existing data centers as here). But what I've experienced is that companies are often attracted to Big Cloud™ not just for financial reasons but to flatten/simplify their corporate reporting structure. It is the ultimate delegation. This isn't simply about having fewer s…

Also reducing friction in getting products to market. A small team with their own BigCloud account is probably going to deliver a product to market much faster than one that needs to go through the friction of dealing with the various IT departments which invariably exist at large companies. There is absolutely value to delivering a product to market a year or more sooner than otherwise.

This is a false dichotomy. There is the issue of restrictive IT departments, legal review, compliance review, extended QA, documentation, product literature, etc. all extending a product launch timeframe...

Separate from all of that there is a valid question whether the software stack at a big cloud provider gives your engineering department the ability to deliver features faster at scale and redundancy, and with lower ongoing maintenance overhead. I think this question is very much up for debate.

At a small scale there are absolutely cloud frameworks that let you deploy services without an IT department at large scale. But then there’s a realistic argument of whether the high premium for theoretical scale—when in actuality you’re serving dozens not millions of customers—is worth the high cost of capital.

E.g. several startups of mine have persistent on a couple colocated dedicated servers for over a decade at a cost of $300/mo. The equivalent deployment in the cloud is closer to $3,000/mo.

I know this because I got $300k of Azure credits to play around with and ended up not using most of them. The long-run cost was too high to move to Azure. But there were months when I “spent” $6k of credits on a dozen VMs and associated storage and network that had equivalent performance to my rented bare metal.

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