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Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by Sanzig » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 1:16 PM UTC

14 wrote: post #61

rsynnott wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, on the high end, the US is fine, and thus is does fairly well on mean speeds (top 10 on some metrics). However, if your internet in the US is bad, it's often really, _really_ bad. In areas without competition, providers still sometimes use ADSL1! (Max 8 down, In general, the tendency in most European countries has been to force wholesaling and/or LLU, and set minimum standards for both; this has generally at leas…

Side not as a Canadian...you can bet the farm the the second satellite internet becomes mainstream, Bell Telus and Rogers will be shitting them selves because they provide the shittiest service for the worst price you can imagine and just like BCTel had us by the balls at one point the second competition came in they were done for and people left in droves. I really hope it pushes these crappy business to offer bette…

We're veering off-topic, but I was very pleased to see that the CRTC effectively told the incumbents to shove it with last month's telecom order setting wholesale access rates:

https://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/2019/2019-288.htm

Background - incumbent ISPs in Canada are required to sell last-mile access to third-party ISPs. Third parties pay a speed-dependent per-user access fee as well as an aggregated per-Mbit capacity fee which defines the size of the pipe at the carrier hotel where they interface with the incumbent network.

The incumbents were asked to provide rates they thought would be fair for wholesale access, as well as financial justification that those fees were reasonable. Their responses contained a range of creative accounting features and omissions. In response, the CRTC eviscerated the incumbents in their decision and cut the capacity fees almost in half, and set the access fees to a flat rate regardless of connection speed. They also made the new rates retroactive to 2016.

If the order stands (the incumbents are doubtless going to challenge it), we should be seeing some significantly cheaper internet options from the third-party ISPs in the near future.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by mannykannot » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 1:17 PM UTC

Having to satisfy EASA as well as the FAA is big enough a threat that it might actually be the stick to get Boeing to back off on its regulation-busting behavior.

On the other hand, can we expect US trade sanctions against the EU in response to this move?

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by arcturus17 » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 1:23 PM UTC

everybodyknows wrote: post #69

EASA budget for 2018 was only 161 million Euros: https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agency/the-agency OP offers no hint just how such great additional effort is to be paid for.

What’s your implication here? That they won’t be able to do it? Or are you solely concerned with the good budgetary health of EU institutions?

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by dahart » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 1:59 PM UTC

cadence- wrote: post #27

Americans have been dismantling and weakening their regulatory bodies for quite a while now. The idea is that this will unshackle big corporations and allow them to innovate faster. This sounds like a great idea, until you realize that this “innovation” is most often about increasing profits. And the quality of the product is often sacrificed to increase profits. Just look at what is happening to telecommunication se…

Regulatory capture is one term for this unshackling. I was a bit surprised to see how long and detailed Wikipedia’s list of examples of regulatory capture in the U.S. is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture#United_Stat...

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by missjellyfish » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

vinay427 wrote: post #58

neuronic wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The era of American exceptionalism is coming to an end and Americans are screeching from the pain. As technology leader and economic powerhouse, the US has left its cultural, political and financial footprint in Europe in the past decades but the extent of that influence is now downgraded. And the reason is inner decay. When the wall came down in Eastern Germany, we tuned into Knight Rider and MacGyver. The A-Team an…

> In the US, I was billed $800 for 3 stitches when I cut my thumb (deeply) and I got lucky because university ambulance transported me. I was billed about that much, also in "Europe", when an ambulance was called, no treatment was performed on me, and I wasn't even transported by the ambulance. This was in Switzerland despite having health insurance. There's no general European health insurance system.

Switzerland is not part of the EU, so different rules apply. As far as I know, a EU health insurance would have covered you (retroactively; as in: pay $800 and send the invoice + proof of payment to your insurance and you'd get reimbursed), but when traveling outside the EU it is always a good Idea to carry a travel health insurance with you that covers these.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by jayess » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 2:13 PM UTC

cadence- wrote: post #27

Americans have been dismantling and weakening their regulatory bodies for quite a while now. The idea is that this will unshackle big corporations and allow them to innovate faster. This sounds like a great idea, until you realize that this “innovation” is most often about increasing profits. And the quality of the product is often sacrificed to increase profits. Just look at what is happening to telecommunication se…

> Just look at what is happening to telecommunication services, with big corporations growing their profits while Americans get stuck with slow and expensive service that becomes relatively worse comparing to other western countries.

I get 1 gig internet service for $80 a month in a mid-sized American city in the midwest. No complaints here. The offerings just keep getting better and cheaper.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by dahart » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 2:16 PM UTC

Angostura wrote: post #68

notimetorelax wrote: post #55

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I think this should not matter. The primary objective is safety.

It should. I could see an embarrassed FAA opting to drop reciprocity to try and avoid looking (so) bad.

That would make the FAA look bitter and petty in addition to incompetent, it would trumpet their embarrassment and make them look worse than they already do, not avoid it or hide it. But in the long term, agency politics aside, it would be better for all of us if these agencies did independent reviews.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by kungito » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 2:17 PM UTC

vinay427 wrote: post #58

neuronic wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The era of American exceptionalism is coming to an end and Americans are screeching from the pain. As technology leader and economic powerhouse, the US has left its cultural, political and financial footprint in Europe in the past decades but the extent of that influence is now downgraded. And the reason is inner decay. When the wall came down in Eastern Germany, we tuned into Knight Rider and MacGyver. The A-Team an…

> In the US, I was billed $800 for 3 stitches when I cut my thumb (deeply) and I got lucky because university ambulance transported me. I was billed about that much, also in "Europe", when an ambulance was called, no treatment was performed on me, and I wasn't even transported by the ambulance. This was in Switzerland despite having health insurance. There's no general European health insurance system.

Ummm I have a European health card and I was stitched in France and Austria for free when I got my injuries. I don't know about Switzerland since it's got special snowflake status

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Post by magduf » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

jayess wrote: post #76

cadence- wrote: post #27

Americans have been dismantling and weakening their regulatory bodies for quite a while now. The idea is that this will unshackle big corporations and allow them to innovate faster. This sounds like a great idea, until you realize that this “innovation” is most often about increasing profits. And the quality of the product is often sacrificed to increase profits. Just look at what is happening to telecommunication se…

> Just look at what is happening to telecommunication services, with big corporations growing their profits while Americans get stuck with slow and expensive service that becomes relatively worse comparing to other western countries. I get 1 gig internet service for $80 a month in a mid-sized American city in the midwest. No complaints here. The offerings just keep getting better and cheaper.

In places like Romania, you can get internet service for a fraction of that price.

Re: EASA Insists on Testing Boeing 737 Max Itself Before Lifting Ban

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Post by pjkundert » Fri, Sep 06, 2019, 2:34 PM UTC

tyri_kai_psomi wrote: post #30

cadence- wrote: post #27

Americans have been dismantling and weakening their regulatory bodies for quite a while now. The idea is that this will unshackle big corporations and allow them to innovate faster. This sounds like a great idea, until you realize that this “innovation” is most often about increasing profits. And the quality of the product is often sacrificed to increase profits. Just look at what is happening to telecommunication se…

This is a common misunderstanding I see repeated a lot. The idea isn't unshackling big corporations, it's about unshackling small to medium sized businesses and entrepreneurs. Big corps actually love regulations for the barriers to entry they create, and most of them already have a whole host of regulatory compliance teams armed and ready to dissect the next big regulation that comes. > Americans get stuck with slow…

It astonishes me that so few HNers have (evidently) tried to start businesses. The staggering regulatory, tax and accounting burden that small business are groaning under is incomprehensible, unless you've experienced it.

I'm a Canadian, in a super-simple business (no payroll, no significant hardward stock) and we are forced to spend double-digit percentages of our gross income just to stay "compliant" with regulations -- and our big, national-level accounting firm is still not certain that we are!

In my opinion, any small business owner that thinks they are complying with regulations is probably deluding themselves; one false step, one "investigation" by tax or regulatory authorities (of, if they get on the bad side of someone in these offices) -- and they are toast.

So, before you go about chanting in the streets for more regulation, think about who you're hurting.

Any company with an office tower, with several floors of lawyers and accountants is laughing at you, for being a "useful idiot", working on their behalf. They can trivially comply.

Because, remember -- they wrote the legislation. Your esteemed member of parliament or congress person doesn't write legislation. At best, they might adjust it after it gets dropped on their desk. The lobbyist, and the corporate lawyers and accountants who oversee them, wrote it, and gave it to your legislator.