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Small towns in much of the country are dependent on punitive fines and fees

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The folks in charge get paid by the government and the amount the government is able to pay is highly dependent on the amount of funding it gets.

I feel like that standard would quickly result in any government that pays anyone called a kleptocracy.

Why?

Re: Small towns in much of the country are dependent on punitive fines and fees

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In Georgia you can see the path I-75 and I-16 take through the southern half of the state. 16 is notorious for speed traps and other shadier stuff. Including road blocks on exit ramps with drug dogs waiting to sniff cars. They bait people into getting off at the exits by leaving fake signs about upcoming road blocks. When College kids were moving or getting out of school they’d be out in full force. Sadly my Dad grew…

I wonder if it wouldn’t be better for such towns to die. I don’t know if there’s any reason to live in a place where you don’t really have a means to do anything productive or (apparently) provide for yourself.

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I think Kleptocracy would only apply if the folks in charge are funneling funds to themselves. If it is just what funds the government, that isn't a kleptocracy. Bad policy maybe, but not kleptocracy.

The folks in charge get paid by the government and the amount the government is able to pay is highly dependent on the amount of funding it gets.

Small town government is student council with armed sheriffs.

In the majority of these jurisdictions, the local government is not actually doing useful work towards a flourishing community, or perhaps to be fair, they aren't doing any useful work that couldn't be done more fairly and effectively at the state level.

Re: Small towns in much of the country are dependent on punitive fines and fees

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There are a few small towns in Minnesota where you will see an officer posted up right where the highway turns from 65mph to 45mph through town. They will be there almost all day, without fail. I don't think it's a coincidence that their cruisers are all brand new. It's obviously a source of income more than anything.

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I feel like that standard would quickly result in any government that pays anyone called a kleptocracy.

Why?

>The folks in charge get paid by the government and the amount the government is able to pay is highly dependent on the amount of funding it gets.

Doesn't that apply to all government where someone is paid?

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> Only a handful of countries fine you by according to how much you make. Example: speeding tickets in Switzerland. A guy driving his Lamborghini through a village at 60mph had a ticket for several hundred thousand dollars handed to him while I was living there.

Which is bad.

No, it's proportional, hence just.

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> Only a handful of countries fine you by according to how much you make. Example: speeding tickets in Switzerland. A guy driving his Lamborghini through a village at 60mph had a ticket for several hundred thousand dollars handed to him while I was living there.

Which is bad.

Depends on implementation. The one I'm familiar with asks for time (e.g. x * daily income). That seems totally fair, since we all have roughly the same amount of days to spend in a life. Jail & co is balanced based on the same principle, but harder to store & exchange, thus bad for minor infraction.

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It's not as though cities and towns are using fine dollars to educate children and feed the homeless. They're not. They're using it to pay more police salaries so they can write more tickets. They're simply using the money to further their own existence. God forbid the towns be forced to find an alternate way to pay for, reduce or cut a service in the face of shrinking revenues.

I think the article adequately describes how difficult it is to "find an alternative" particularly when the state legislature is cutting off those paths.

Alternative for what purpose? These towns and counties already have basically nil for services.
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