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Simple solution is to just work with a fertility doc who is female or a person of a different race than picked sperm. Will be obvious if child is mixed. I am worried about future ethics of DNA sequencing. Esp if lab techs are corrupted. That will prob be the future - bastard children at scale.
You have misidentified the problem.
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> run an anonymized query ... see highly connected individuals Doesn't sound very anonymized to me.
As the genetic sequencing graph grows, the odds of maintaining anonymity rapidly drops to zero. Poor choice of words on parent’s part, but I think one can understand what they were trying to convey (datamining the genotype matrix). Disclaimer: Interviewed at 23andme a decade ago. Good folks.
If it was about a couple going to a doctor and the doctor replacing the man's sperm with his own, I'd understand this, but if a woman goes to a doctor and asks for a sample from an anonymous donor with no further stipulations then I don't see why the donor shouldn't be the doctor. Of course, they should have been open about it, but still.
Anonymous yes, random no, at least not that I have ever heard of. You get a catalogue of various physical and socioeconomic traits from anonymous donors and pick the one that you want. Replacing that with any other is certainly fraud.
It's fraud, certainly, but the system you're describing (I'm not familiar with it) seems to be open to abuses that are almost as unethical. Surely genetic health is the only thing it really makes sense to take into account when choosing a donor. Some choices (race?) seem particularly icky.
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Can you clarify your rationale about why France banned paternity tests?
France banned paternity tests for the sake of filation, i.e. to protect the rights of children and to promote stable families. I differ with the previous poster in that I don't think that many men are unknowingly raising children that are not theirs. I've seen estimates that vary between .6% and 5%. I do think that a man ought to have the right to know if he's the biological father and I think it's understandable if…
Yes, but I've always assume reasonable people want to know this because it would prove infidelity by their spouse, not because they specifically care that their child shares their genes.
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I am aware of my hypocrisy, but I would honestly rather live with primal tribes and not stress about all the shit happening with the world. I mean, what kind of a society will my eventual children grow into? 1984-Big brother world. Jesus. I would rather hunt a bear, then eat it for a week with my tribe, and then dance around the fire while drinking some psychedelic drink in the warm night, seeing all the stars and mi…
Right up until you die of a infection resulting from a minor scratch.
In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…
> From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. In fact the entirety of laws are opposed to darwinism Plus we re probably the last generations that care for darwinism? It won't take long before it becomes normal to engineer your children.
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>Darwinism has no bearing on legal matters. While some laws are created to protect the weakest; a lot of inheritance, marriage and family laws follow their rationale directly from Darwinism.
Marriage and family laws predate Darwin and have nothing to do with "Darwinism". They are products of, in anything, human social psychology.
In its long term effect this fraud is similar to serial rape. But that's also true of serial seduction under false pretenses. Should the punishment for these things also be similar? I don't know. From a Darwinian perspective even the death penalty is insufficient, since reproducing copiously is worth dying for. The only effective punishment would involve also killing or sterilizing the resulting children ... which is…
http://veryshortscifi.blogspot.com/2015/08/not-even-their-ow... Ghengis Khan was the world's greatest Dad, in sheer numbers. Well, he was, 'til this creep started getting off on actual reproductive success. Sicko. Got his jollies breaking into sperm banks. They caught him of course, but not before he had fathered over 700 children. That we could identify. Not all of his sons felt the need. Some were really nice kids.…
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As the genetic sequencing graph grows, the odds of maintaining anonymity rapidly drops to zero. Poor choice of words on parent’s part, but I think one can understand what they were trying to convey (datamining the genotype matrix). Disclaimer: Interviewed at 23andme a decade ago. Good folks.
I think that commenter was thinking that 23andme would be able to identify many people as children of the same unknown person, but unless that person also submitted their DNA to the service, they would effectively be anonymous. An unknown parent of dozens or hundreds.
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Anonymous yes, random no, at least not that I have ever heard of. You get a catalogue of various physical and socioeconomic traits from anonymous donors and pick the one that you want. Replacing that with any other is certainly fraud.
> You get a catalogue of various physical and socioeconomic traits from anonymous donors and pick the one that you want. Replacing that with any other is certainly fraud. It's fraud, certainly, but the system you're describing (I'm not familiar with it) seems to be open to abuses that are almost as unethical. Surely genetic health is the only thing it really makes sense to take into account when choosing a donor. Som…