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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by icelancer »

taneq wrote: post #61
onion2k wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home charging isn't an option for a lot of people who don't have a garage or a driveway. We're going to see a lot of "electric petrol stations" being built very soon - it's already happening... https://fastnedcharging.com/en

The Supercharger network is already an "electric petrol station" network and it's pretty comprehensive in many parts of the world. Edit: Also it's notably cheaper than the one you linked, generally below $0.20/kWh according to https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-tiered-pricing-... compared with $0.35/kWh

The Supercharger network is not going to be a major thing anytime soon in Seattle where we have very cheap hydroelectric power (10c/kWh or less, hence why solar adoption here sucks [the weather isn't helping much either though it's less bad than people think]) and a packed city with terribly expensive real estate that makes it uneconomical for Tesla to build out massively in the city (plus our geography is stupid, look at the giant body of water splitting our city in two).

The Supercharger network will be used - and is currently used - to bridge longer commutes fast. Not for intra-city deployment; at least not at the moment.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by icelancer »

fgonzag wrote: post #29
pandapower2 wrote: post #2

Feels like anyone going head to head with Tesla is in for a hard time. It must be very hard to compete with the cachet of Tesla and the speed with which they improve their vehicles.

the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.

>> porsche

>> price is not that ridiculous

This seems like an insanely unlikely combination.

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Post by icelancer »

lovemenot wrote: post #3

Longer term, expect Tesla's stronger EV competition in global markets from another EV-native. One based in China.

This is definitely the most likely scenario. This has wider implications beyond car delivery, of course. If Chinese EV cars are acceptable to American consumers, then a lot has happened between now and then which is going to have serious impact on global trade.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by icelancer »

acd wrote: post #28

Toyota and Volkswagen will make more affordable higher quality main stream electric cars.

This assumes those companies will solve the energy storage issue in a reasonable amount of time.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Tesla does a lot of shit wrong, but Musk is ahead of people RE: batteries and energy storage importance.

I am reminded of Bezos saying that their headstart in AWS with no viable competitor for years and years on end is what catapulted Amazon to what it is today. Tesla has a shot of making that true with regard to batteries.

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Post by serpix »

petre wrote: post #34

This is the first time I hear about the Jaguar I-Pace.

Just saw one in the back country in Finland. Really deep in the sticks and on a small road. Was a great moment seeing it there. The electric revolution is coming along and unstoppably. Now would be a great time to get a career going in electrification. Electric installation / Solar power installation you name it, the demand will skyrocket.

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Post by xedeon »

rumanator wrote: post #27
gibolt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. Several of them are targeting Tesla owners with discounts, ads at superchargers, etc... The companies clearly think they are competing with Tesla, especially since they don't want to compete with themselves (ICE models). As for doing their own thing, most have a battery shortage…

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

Absolutely false: U.S. Electric Vehicles Sales by Model (2012-2019) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpsd0yRYk8c

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by King-Aaron »

gexla wrote: post #65
King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

I don't know if "looks cool" is the same thing as status (probably not) but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road. Maybe the only competitor for worst on the list of cool factor is the mini van. Much of the US is a truck culture. You can drive more places and carry more cargo than anything else. In this case, status becomes proudly declaring yourself as blue collar as opposed…

> but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road

This applies to practically every American designed car before ~2010

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by Erlich_Bachman »

alexkiritz wrote: post #52
threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

Do you seriously think most people who buy larger cars now actually need them? Of course not. People do cross comparisons and generally prefer the Model 3 for a variety of reasons. And it's cheaper.

Very weird argument. So why are they buying them if they don't "need them". And why would that reason change for model 3?

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Post by systemtest »

gexla wrote: post #65
King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

I don't know if "looks cool" is the same thing as status (probably not) but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road. Maybe the only competitor for worst on the list of cool factor is the mini van. Much of the US is a truck culture. You can drive more places and carry more cargo than anything else. In this case, status becomes proudly declaring yourself as blue collar as opposed…

In Europe, SUVs and crossovers are bought by people with children, back problems or those who think that it will make them look interesting. None of those are “cool”. Unless you like to holler at single moms at the playground boosting about the triple ISO fix childseat attachment.

Marketing does a great job into making you think that SUVs are for hip young people with active urban lifestyles but in reality it’s mainly old folks and parents who buy them.

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Post by mdibiase »

fgonzag wrote: post #29
pandapower2 wrote: post #2

Feels like anyone going head to head with Tesla is in for a hard time. It must be very hard to compete with the cachet of Tesla and the speed with which they improve their vehicles.

the porsche taycan seems like the ideal electric car honestly. If the price is not that ridiculous it'll probably be my first electric vehicle.

The all-wheel drive dual motor car it's going to be around 130k USD. With that amount of money you could easily buy now any Model 3 (which could cover the day-to-day) AND another internal combustion engine car. I mean: okay, you'll have to maintain two cars vs. one but still.
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