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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by taneq »

onion2k wrote: post #48
gibolt wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Range anxiety is definitely a thing, especially if you've never driven an EV and have heard it exists. The issue is a non-issue for most Tesla buyers who have home charging. The situation will hopefully resolve itself unquestionably in the next 2-3 years.

Home charging isn't an option for a lot of people who don't have a garage or a driveway. We're going to see a lot of "electric petrol stations" being built very soon - it's already happening... https://fastnedcharging.com/en

The Supercharger network is already an "electric petrol station" network and it's pretty comprehensive in many parts of the world.

Edit: Also it's notably cheaper than the one you linked, generally below $0.20/kWh according to https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-tiered-pricing-... compared with $0.35/kWh

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by marvin »

tyfon wrote: post #60
threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

i-pace is actually more comparable to model 3 than model S and X. It has about the same power and internal space, model x is _much_ bigger.

You’re saying it’s comprable to 3 in size and features, but S&X in price? I really don’t intend to be snarky, but I haven’t seen it, and this would be the implication if what you say is correct.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by onion2k »

taneq wrote: post #61
onion2k wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Home charging isn't an option for a lot of people who don't have a garage or a driveway. We're going to see a lot of "electric petrol stations" being built very soon - it's already happening... https://fastnedcharging.com/en

The Supercharger network is already an "electric petrol station" network and it's pretty comprehensive in many parts of the world. Edit: Also it's notably cheaper than the one you linked, generally below $0.20/kWh according to https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-supercharger-tiered-pricing-... compared with $0.35/kWh

I live in Sunderland in the North East of the UK. There is a Supercharger near where I live, but beyond that it's quite sparse - https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/findus#/bounds/65,55,34,-11,d?se... I'd be a bit apprehensive about relying on Superchargers alone if I had a Tesla (not that there's any chance of me owning one ever, I don't earn nearly enough).

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by gexla »

King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

I don't know if "looks cool" is the same thing as status (probably not) but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road. Maybe the only competitor for worst on the list of cool factor is the mini van.

Much of the US is a truck culture. You can drive more places and carry more cargo than anything else. In this case, status becomes proudly declaring yourself as blue collar as opposed to being high status. And have you ever seen a station wagon with a gun rack? SUV's are simply trucks for which the cargo is the family rather than a lawnmower.

What are the manufacturers going to do when trucks and SUV's are so popular and have a higher profit margin? Make more SUV's. Maybe car manufacturers even make ridiculous looking compacts as sacrificial models to sell more SUV's. You can have this ridiculous looking golf cart, or you can drive this magnificent tank.

Outside the US, SUV's are even popular in SE Asia. Which again I think is part culture (maybe US car culture transmitted through Hollywood) and manufacturer incentive. One of the few dealerships in the fast growing city I live in (Philippines) is loaded with SUV's. If that's all you see on the floor and everyone else is driving one, then that's probably what you are going to drive also.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by garretraziel »

orthoxerox wrote: post #31
King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

Station wagons that can compete with SUVs on price are rare, at least in Europe. Most station wagons are based on premium-ish sedans that can have 1.5x times the price of a Qashqai or an Outlander, not to talk of something like a Duster. Yes, there's Ford Focus SW ans Škoda Octavia, er, Scout(?), but that's about it, and you'll probably get the same amount of boot space if you buy their crossover SUV instead.

It's better here in Europe with almost all car makers having their own station wagons and a lot of these station wagons are most-sold cars for their respective brands. Skoda Octavia/Fabia/Superb Kombi, Volkswagen Golf Variant, Passat Variant, Ford Focus SW, Toyota Corolla Touring Sports, Citroen C4, Honda Civic Tourer, Fiat Tipo Kombi, Hyundai i30, i40 SW, Kia Ceed SW, Mazda 6 Wagon, Opel Astra/Insignia Sports Tourer, Peugeot 508 SW, Renault Megane Grandtour, Seat Leon ST, Audi A4 Avant, BMW 3/5 Touring, Mercedes Benz B-Class to name a few, not including all those liftbacks, spacebacks and hatchback/kombi hybrids. SUVs/crossovers are on the rise, but I would say that Kombis are still one of the most sold cars in Europe.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by icelancer »

rumanator wrote: post #27
gibolt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. Several of them are targeting Tesla owners with discounts, ads at superchargers, etc... The companies clearly think they are competing with Tesla, especially since they don't want to compete with themselves (ICE models). As for doing their own thing, most have a battery shortage…

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

>> Nissan Leaf

>> Tesla Model S

Not comparable cars.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by icelancer »

alexkiritz wrote: post #55
nimbius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another aspect is repair. Speaking as someone who works full time as an engine mechanic, sourcing parts or even being allowed to do repair work for a Tesla is a tedious process. Everything comes from one factory with no distribution network, so a door panel repair can take months to fix . In contrast, I can get nearly any part for an Audi delivered to the shop in 2 days and the digital books for service interval and…

That's an issue Tesla has, but I don't think that would at all explain a drop in Model 3 sales.

I think it has some impact. People who would buy a Tesla are clued into doing online research, and see the news about their repair problems.

I personally would have already leased/bought a Model 3 if I didn't have serious concerns about their supply chain and repair issues brought to light by people like Rich Rebuilds and others. I am waiting it out to see if it improves, or if Tesla goes bankrupt/forced merged and their IP lives on elsewhere.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by mgoetzke »

threeseed wrote: post #11
7472697374616E wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And compete with the vast network of superchargers Tesla's already established for themselves...

Electrify America is rolling out their own supercharger equivalent. And in fact will soon have more 350kw chargers than Tesla.

Would that just be locations or actual stalls ? Because the number of actual stalls I most often saw here in Germany from e.g Ionity is limited to 2. Which is a no-go for me.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by icelancer »

King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

Keeping the compact pickup truck around would have fended off widescale adoption of the SUV. But no, CAFE killed it [0], so now we have worse MPG issues, no small pickup trucks, and a shitload of SUVs and large trucks instead.

Well-intentioned regulation going bad. A story as old as America, really.

[0]: https://jalopnik.com/how-the-government-killed-fuel-efficien...

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