I desperately hope this is true. I have the first MacBook Pro that came with the Touch Bar, and it's the worst computer I've ever owned. The keyboard has failed twice, and the Touch Bar is inferior to the old hardware keys in every way. I hate it. The only reason I got it is because the MacBook Air it replaced was dying and I couldn't wait any more. Assuming this report is true, my only remaining worry is that they won't offer a version of this new Pro without a Touch Bar, or that only a model with a smaller display will offer hardware function keys, like they've done in the past.
Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
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Touchbar: Never use it. Reprogrammed my keys to have Esc mapped on Caps (if it‘s hit alone) and Ctrl (it if is hit in combination with other keys).
Mind sharing what you used to get this Esc behavior? (single vs combo hit)
I configured mine using Hammerspoon with this plugin:
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#74Don't understand the problem. I like new keyboard more than the previous one, I'm indifferent to touchbar and mapping escape to capslock was the best thing ever. The only thing I hate is keys getting stuck, but it actually stopped happening(2017 model). I wouldn't like to come back to old keyboard now.
Yeah, I was very sceptical about both the keyboard and the touch bar until I actually got a new MBP for work. Now it's my favorite keyboard. Less effort pushing the keys seem to always mean swifter typing.
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#75Waiting to replace my 2013 MBP someday... it has been wonderful (it has the old keyboard style) but please Apple, make it soon.
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#76I personally love the Touch Bar and I really like the quiet, soft, short-travel keys on the 2015+ MacBooks. Other than a "rigid" cursor key on the first-generation 12" MacBook, I haven't experienced any unresponsive keys, definitely not on the Pros, yet (though that may be because I always use a protector or "keyboard condom" to prevent finger stains and smudges.) I do not miss MagSafe or the headphone jack either. I…
In fairness, the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press. And much of that demand was a result of Apple’s failure to spec bump their pro machines. Lots of us were waiting for the next generation.
> the news story you linked about outsized MBP sales was before the keyboard scandal hit the press.
Even then, there was similar snarfle about Apple "failing" when the new Touch Bar redesign was first revealed, where a few handful of people were opting to speak on everyone's behalf, saying that the new MBPs will flop and nobody will buy them.
Then again, this has been going on for over 20 years:
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#77Great, the butterfly keys were an enormous downgrade in terms of comfort, and one of the reasons I sold my 2017 Macbook Pro. But will they still keep that awful touchbar where the Esc and F1-12 are supposed to be? Then I'll still be passing.
I have a personal 2015 MBP but my current client has provided me with a 2018 MBP. Despite being a Vim user, I’ve discovered that the Touch ID allows me to shut my laptop more often due to the quick login, rather than it being an always open distraction. (I work from books and paper a lot). This is not applicable to many others, I’m sure, but I’ve found a new way of using the laptop as a result: as yet another tool an…
Yeah, it seems to me the ideal version still has TouchId but not the rest of the touch bar (Like modern Macbook Air). Combine that with scissor switch keys, and then I'll be happy to upgrade
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#78Thank goodness. MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects, but I had to cross them off the buy list due to the keyboard. I understand it's controversial, but for me I've spent plenty of time using the butterfly keyboard and it just doesn't feel comfortable to me. And I'm not some mechanical keyboard purist, actually my favorite keyboard of all time was the previous chicklet keyboard. A runner up for me is a trav…
> MacBooks are the best laptops in many respects
I've never heard this before.
I thought some people needed their proprietary software that could only be run on Apple products, and that is what forces someone to buy a Macbook.
What are they best in class for?
EDIT: Thank you for the serious responses
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#79Now just get rid of the touchbar and I'll consider using a Mac again.
Have you actually used it though? I find it kind of useful. Not super useful but at least slightly more useful than gimmicky.
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The problem that most people have is not with how it feels, it's how unreliable it is with buttons failing or missing keystrokes. Sometimes only caused by a spec of dust. Getting used to the feeling of the flatter keyboard isn't really an issue for most people.
Exactly It’s a piece of shit, and even after a replacement it’s broken within weeks.
I'm just contemplating my second return...