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Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by scarface74 »

mnm1 wrote: post #13

Smartphone innovation stopped a few years ago and the general public is finally catching on. At the same time, there is little difference between cheap models and expensive ones. Taking both of these into account, Apple still increased their prices significantly counting on their brand as a fashion statement more than anything. It should be no surprise that sales are significantly down overall and especially for Appl…

I bought my son a cheap Moto G because they were always touted as being a good value. He was more than happy when I upgraded and he got my 6s that was two years older. There is a stark performance difference between a mid range current Android phone and iPhones that are two or three years older.

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Post by yhoneycomb »

chowyuncat wrote: post #55
yhoneycomb wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Because it's Chinese? The amount of Sinophobia on here is ridiculous.

Just ignore the surveillance state with millions in concentration camps?

Are you talking about the US, with its NSA and "concentration camps" of black males in prison? You realize Huawei is made in China, and not the US?

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Post by taobility »

chowyuncat wrote: post #55
yhoneycomb wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Because it's Chinese? The amount of Sinophobia on here is ridiculous.

Just ignore the surveillance state with millions in concentration camps?

Don't buy any clothes or electronic made in China, since they could embed with some micro chip, and you will be spied :) Bloomberg has warned you!!!!

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Post by rasz »

thetechlead wrote: post #56
nroets wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huawei is using the standard mobile phone playbook: They have a lot of carriers pushing their phones. They spend a lot on TV marketing. They opened flagship stores in big malls. They got celebrities such as Scarlett Johansson to promote their phones.

Not saying they don't spend big money in advertising. They certainly do, like any other premium brand. However their marketing campaigns alone are nothing extraordinary either. US governments accusation certainly helped - good advertising makes people intrigued, just look at the nationalist comments under Huawei related HN posts and try to read from a non-US POV. Not hard to come to a state that you wonder what the h…

>However their marketing campaigns alone are nothing extraordinary either.

During last holidays almost every single commercial break in Polish TV had Huawei ad.

Re: Smartphone shipments: Apple down 30%, Samsung down 8%, Huawei up 50%

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Post by nailer »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #31
cm2012 wrote: post #24

Isn't it likely every Huawei is backdoored by the Chinese government?

Isn't it likely every phone sold in the US is backdoored by the US government? I'm honestly not sure what to do about phones these days. It's getting to the point where I don't want one, but I essentially need one for work.

I think the US government probably does do this - I know Intel chips have IME, and it runs Minix, that Intel (and whoever Intel reports to) has access to it, and it has it's own IP stack.

But I have no idea about phones - what about ARM? Is there an equivalent?

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Post by ignoramous »

yhoneycomb wrote: post #50
ignoramous wrote: post #48

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> Personally, I got a brand new Xiaomi phone Make sure to go over apps preinstalled (system apps) and disable them or take away their network permission, if nothing else. NetGuard, NoRoot Firewall, Glasswire are some of the apps that let you do that.

Why? Because it's Chinese? The amount of Sinophobia on here is ridiculous.

> Why?

Its good hygiene to rid of apps you have no use for. Note: Pre-installed apps on OHA devices include Google's, too: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/07/googles-iron-grip-on...

> Because it's Chinese?

- Because its Android: https://techscience.org/a/2015103001/

- Because its Xiaomi: https://thehackernews.com/2014/08/xiaomi-phones-secretly-sen...

Huawei, OnePlus, Nokia have been caught spying on users, too. Lenovo, famously, MiTMd TLS on their laptops. So, really, its the OEMs. And also the SoC vendors and Carriers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17081684 I digress.

> The amount of Sinophobia on here is ridiculous.

Not sure about that, but you might be onto something.

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Post by bassman9000 »

dijit wrote: post #40
Jerry2 wrote: post #35

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Huawei phones send info to China. https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3685669

And Android/iPhone in general send info to North America. Vilification of the other without pause to consider the status-quo is not an appeal to "whataboutism" it's just pointing out hypocrisy. I really wish I didn't have to care about NSA or huge US tech companies aggregating information. But I do. I cannot in good conscious condemn China for this if the alternatives are equivalent.

if the alternatives are equivalent.

Is the info used equally in China? E.g. does the US have a social score system?

Enough with the false equivalences.

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Post by dang »

chowyuncat wrote: post #55
yhoneycomb wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Because it's Chinese? The amount of Sinophobia on here is ridiculous.

Just ignore the surveillance state with millions in concentration camps?

Please do not take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. This sort of flamebaity one-liner is exactly what the site guidelines ask you not to post, especially on divisive topics.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by kyriakos »

gimli9000 wrote: post #34
alttab wrote: post #11

I'm am American and recently moved to Europe. I had to get a new phone because my old contract wasn't up. I had a LG G6 before, and ended up with a Huawei P20 and can't imagine why someone would pay 3-4x for a Samsung or an iPhone. The camera is phenomenal!

Products are generally cheaper when produced using stolen IP.

If that is the case why are apple and google not suing them to stop them from selling in US?

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Post by kyriakos »

lostmsu wrote: post #14
jseliger wrote: post #5

Last summer I replaced an iPhone 6 or 6s with a 7 that cost about $500, or half the cost of the new, high-end phones. I don't perceive the new ones to offer 2x the value of a new or refurbished 7.

I've got a Xiaomi phone for $220. Large bright IPS screen, gestures, 4-5 days on battery with all comms on (Nexus 6 did 1 day). Only 2 drawbacks: not AMOLED (would add $100-$150, did not consider it worth), mediocre camera, which I rarely use anyway.

5 times cheaper than top end Samsung or apple offerings means they had to cut some corners. On the other hand if you buy xiaomi top end you get almost the same quality as the other brands and it's still half price.
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