Yet another example that if something profitable is both technically possible and legal, it IS being done whether you know about it or not.
JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
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Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it really that useful to identify someone who has overstayed their visa when they are leaving the country ? Sure, you then know not to let them in next time. But it seems like a lot of effort when there are so many people overstaying their visa and not leaving out of the airports. That said, even as a libertarian, privacy-conscious person, I'm not sure I have a problem with exit controls like this. It's important…
> It's important to know who is crossing the border, in both directions. Why? And if there exists an important reason to know that someone is exiting the country does that same criterion not also apply to exiting a state or city or neighborhood? I am not being sarcastic; I am genuinely unable to come up with a reason it's important to track who leaves almost any place, except in highly unusual cases (e.g. "OK guys, c…
Borders are different. There is a right to free movement within a country. Not so across borders.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Isn't it a bit different have a photo tied to an ostensibly anonymous internet account which you have control over, and have a photo that is legally tied to your person and leased out by the government?
The person's twitter account uses their given name with a personal photo. So replace "ostensibly" with "absolutely not." Also, let's assume we're talking reality and not theory. Given that, what's the difference between JetBlue querying a proprietary goldmine of data (or multiple ones) vs. querying a (probably) proprietary goldmine of data that was collected through a contract with DHS? In either instance, the short…
I think the horse has already left the barn.
An individual with $500 worth of equipment could quickly create a database of facial biometrics for a good portion of his city. What kind of legislation could prevent this? Outlaw private ownerships of cameras and computers? I do not think there is any way to stop what is coming...
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t need photo ID to fly. TSA will ask you questions from your credit report and allow you to board. *US citizens flying within the states.
You are correct; sad that most people don't know this.
I'm not sure that's true everywhere, but not for long many places (eg California, Washington).
Casual article on it: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/how-to-get-on-a-pla...
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
>It's also always been pretty normal to have your photo taken by countries when passing through passport control. No not always, only recently. > I don't really see what the problem would be here? You’re kidding right? There’s multiple privacy problems. Sounds like you either benefit from mass surveillance or have been conditioned to it.
> You’re kidding right? There’s multiple privacy problems. No, not kidding. There's a legitimate government interest in identifying people entering and leaving a country. This isn't Facebook, or even cameras on street corners -- this is a government responsible for enforcing legitimate immigration policies at a legitimate location (the border) for a wide variety of reasons (safety, economic, etc.), which absolutely r…
You're correct—it is reasonable for governments to require a photo of yourself to associate with your passport. But it is not necessary to take a new photo every time you interact with the government. That's overreach, or at minimum wasting taxpayer money on unneeded photo storage.
And I'd wager the reason they're doing this is because while a human can make a decent determination of whether the photo matches the person in front of them, computers need a larger sample to get the error rate low enough for broad use. That's great for CBP and airlines that can employ fewer personnel, and great for travelers who can breeze throughª boarding and customs. But imagine how it will go when you are one of those 0.1% errors and the system refuses to let you in.
ªassuming companies/govts decide to increase throughput instead of decreasing cost, or that it's such an improvement that it can do both.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's important to know who is crossing the border, in both directions. Why? And if there exists an important reason to know that someone is exiting the country does that same criterion not also apply to exiting a state or city or neighborhood? I am not being sarcastic; I am genuinely unable to come up with a reason it's important to track who leaves almost any place, except in highly unusual cases (e.g. "OK guys, c…
So that next time chatmasta comes back, you know when he left. Otherwise how do you know how long he stayed in the country, and therefore how many days he should be allowed on this next visit? Currently, I assume the countries without exit controls have access to the entry databases of the destination countries, so they forego exit controls as redundant.
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Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's important to know who is crossing the border, in both directions. Why? And if there exists an important reason to know that someone is exiting the country does that same criterion not also apply to exiting a state or city or neighborhood? I am not being sarcastic; I am genuinely unable to come up with a reason it's important to track who leaves almost any place, except in highly unusual cases (e.g. "OK guys, c…
So that next time chatmasta comes back, you know when he left. Otherwise how do you know how long he stayed in the country, and therefore how many days he should be allowed on this next visit? Currently, I assume the countries without exit controls have access to the entry databases of the destination countries, so they forego exit controls as redundant.
> Currently, I assume the countries without exit controls have access to the entry databases of the destination countries
I believe the US exit controls are currently based on airline passenger manifests (not entry databases of other countries).
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t need photo ID to fly. TSA will ask you questions from your credit report and allow you to board. *US citizens flying within the states.
You are correct; sad that most people don't know this.
Why should they? The only time it would be relevant is if you forgot your ID, and if you want to rent a car or hotel at your destination that might be a problem there as well. Knowing the TSA, I bet this adds at least an hour to the trip as you are begrudgingly walked to some back room and sit there for 20 minutes while someone is pulling up your file.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#79That's just bizarre. This would never, ever, fly under the GDPR.
Driver's licenses surely have photos still in EU nations, right? I don't think the GDPR speaks to this.
Re: JetBlue explains to a passenger how it got a photo of her face
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
You don’t need photo ID to fly. TSA will ask you questions from your credit report and allow you to board. *US citizens flying within the states.
You are required by regulation to have it. There is, as you describe, a convenience procedure intended to help people who forget their ID. You could still be turned away if you do this frequently or they otherwise have reason to doubt the legitimacy of it. And they don't have time for everyone in line to do it--if they did, this exception would go away completely.
For sure. A coworker lost his wallet while hiking after a sales visit prior to his flight.