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I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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Re: I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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sl1ck731 wrote: post #56
anuragsoni wrote: post #23

"To round up, C++ does not dictate about its tooling, which basically gives lot of choices and flexibility. But at the same time it is making it complex for beginners to come in to projects and start projects with it." This was a big problem for me when I first started using C++. I don't remember it being too bad when I was just working on small projects and things I wanted to do at school. The problems started when…

I ran into this trying to get into it about 3 weeks ago. I'm so used to things like npm, ruby gems, go packages, pip that it felt like a huge task just to get something built or settle on a way for me to build mine. Even grabbing libraries from github, I was unsure if I should grab just the headers and DLLs, or import the entire tree and mashup my build scripts with theirs. I wish I had stayed with it since college b…

Making Rust work nicely with win32 is probably less effort (and more valuable) than getting enough momentum behind a good dependency manager for C++.

Re: I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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Post by zanny »

sidcool wrote: post #65

I am learning Rust currently and it's fascinating. The concepts are very different and forces me to thing differently. I hope that Rust soon supports things like kernel programming, asynchronous networking, GUI programming etc. that C++ is so good at.

Rust already supports kernel programming, that is what Redox is. You can do async networking today on stable with tokio and futures or on nightly with futures-await and prototype async/await syntax. You can do GUI programming with gtk-rs.

Its pretty unlikely anyone is going to take on the monumental project of "write a software GUI kitchen sink suite like Qt, but in Rust" any time soon. Not because you can't, but because such projects are by their nature at minimum millions of LOCs.

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Post by wues »

seanhandley wrote: post #33

> Within C++ is a smaller, simpler, safer language struggling to get out.” - Bjarne Stroustrup Ah, yes. I think they called it "C".

C compatibility was the very reason for which C++ is bigger, more complicated and less safe than a similar language not compatible with C could be.

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Post by Birch-san »

blub wrote: post #19
hellofunk wrote: post #2

> My quest for relearning C++ started in November 2018. That’s great! I’ve been using it since 2013 and still haven’t learned it!

What language can one say that they fully master? I've been using Python since 2008-ish on and off for various scripting tasks and small tools, I can't say that I've "learned" it. They keep adding new stuff, some things I forgot, others I never needed. I've been using C++ professionally since ~2006 and for similar reasons I won't say that I master it either. Metaprogramming is a clear weak point for me, but OTOH I fi…

how about Java? it's a small enough language that one can encounter and use every language feature within a few years of professional development, and without needing to work in any obscure domain.

admittedly, Java got a lot bigger in Java 8 and beyond. but it's still the language I'd put forward as "most possible to master".

Re: I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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Post by lmm »

salawat wrote: post #61
anuragsoni wrote: post #23

"To round up, C++ does not dictate about its tooling, which basically gives lot of choices and flexibility. But at the same time it is making it complex for beginners to come in to projects and start projects with it." This was a big problem for me when I first started using C++. I don't remember it being too bad when I was just working on small projects and things I wanted to do at school. The problems started when…

I do not understand the mentality of "opinionated" frameworks or tools being a good thing, and the trend toward said frameworks disturbs me greatly. What people call "opinionated" is nothing more than something being "architected". Someone has made a bunch of decisions for you that down the road you have no idea whether or not it will actually be good for you. Using these types of frameworks short-circuits the proces…

A framework that gives you all the choices that you have without it will suffer the inner-platform effect and end up becoming just as complicated to use as the thing it was supposed to help you with. The whole point of a framework is to make certain decisions for you, to make certain paths easier by closing off other possibilities. If you don't trust the framework to make good choices for you, you're better off not using it.

Re: I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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Post by mempko »

I like that the author mentions the STL explicitly. The STL is one of the most beautiful libraries ever written. There are few language libraries that are as clear and well designed as the STL. Alex Stepanov is completely underrated outside the C++ community.

Re: I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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Post by alexhutcheson »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #32

I've learned 15+ years ago, and I stopped paying attention around ~2010, which is just before significant changes were made. Even though I read up on some features and concepts from C++11 and C++14, I feel so disconnected from what's going on as if what I learned was a completely different language. Can anyone recommend any source for someone with lots of pre-C++11 experience to get up to speed with current capabilit…

The Abseil C++ "Tip of the Week" posts are really good, but not comprehensive: https://abseil.io/tips/

Re: I learnt C++ in 2018 and have no regrets

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Post by anuragsoni »

salawat wrote: post #61
anuragsoni wrote: post #23

"To round up, C++ does not dictate about its tooling, which basically gives lot of choices and flexibility. But at the same time it is making it complex for beginners to come in to projects and start projects with it." This was a big problem for me when I first started using C++. I don't remember it being too bad when I was just working on small projects and things I wanted to do at school. The problems started when…

I do not understand the mentality of "opinionated" frameworks or tools being a good thing, and the trend toward said frameworks disturbs me greatly. What people call "opinionated" is nothing more than something being "architected". Someone has made a bunch of decisions for you that down the road you have no idea whether or not it will actually be good for you. Using these types of frameworks short-circuits the proces…

I'm curious, what would you consider base tooling in the context of a package manager/build tool? I don't think i made it clear enough with my comment, but I was thinking of tooling akin to Rust's cargo, OCaml's `dune + opam`, etc
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