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Post by analog31 »

forkandwait wrote: post #64
eganist wrote: post #50

Surprising amount of support for IP theft here today. The US got away with it because countries like the UK couldn't police it during the industrial revolution. Whoops. The Chinese got away with it because the US couldn't police it on the global stage. Whoops. --- But the US might've found a way to police it effectively now... soooo why would we not? Why would we permit it because others historically got away with it…

A lot of us don't really think intellectual property is actually property and thar the notion of IP is, well, bullshit.

What is property, and why?

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Post by DennisP »

polartx wrote: post #12
DennisP wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is also what the U.S. did for its first century or so. A lot of us think U.S. IP law has seriously overextended itself these days. I'm not sure I entirely blame China for not going along with it.

Ah yes, because Samuel Slater smuggled cotton spinner trade secrets out of England in 1789, China is justified committing IP theft today. Sound logic

My second paragraph is why I think China might be justified to some extent. My first paragraph was only to say that I don't think China's culture is unusually disrespectful of others.

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Post by NotAmazin »

Havoc wrote: post #65

I kind feel the same about the US. The majority of the horror stories about people being forced to spit out password and getting devices taken away for copying...straight out of the country that spends all its time exporting "freedom". Pretty happy in Europe. China, Russia and America all seem dodgy AF lately. Overtly so...I shudder to think what happens behind the scenes.

You might be right, but perhaps countries with something to lose might be better places to live because of opportunity. I understand you give up some rights in exchange for 'freedom' but the opportunities are better. Sometimes you just have to live blissfully aware.

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Post by checkyoursudo »

pfisch wrote: post #66
forkandwait wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of us don't really think intellectual property is actually property and thar the notion of IP is, well, bullshit.

Sounds good. Lets shut down all private medical research and call it a day then right?

I'm not sure that I would have a problem with medical research all being in the public domain.

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Post by drak0n1c »

ggm wrote: post #53
bilbo0s wrote: post #52

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Can't fight a trade war like a cold war. I actually think Trump is doing it right. I mean, if you're going to fight a trade war, you have to do the kinds of things he's doing. Now the problem is... economic reality. If the other guy just has the bigger market long term, especially if they can grow their market without you, you're just at a disadvantage. I think we can get some short term wins, but in the long term, w…

This trade war is not being prosecuted flawlessly, and as Ike or somebody like him said, no plan survives first engagement with the enemy. Trump does not have a unified national intent behind him. I don't agree with him or his policies, in this or any other regard but trying to think dispassionately, I think appointing Bolton to signal strength of will demands having somebody more flexible to negotiate the real outco…

China holding US debt is not really a great weapon. If they dump it, they will experience incredible losses, and it is not clear if the effect on the US will actually be proportionately harmful. The USD would drop and US exports may be advantaged.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/2160270/why-...

There are also many mitigating factors that the US can deploy:

https://www.cfr.org/blog/what-would-happen-if-china-started-...

https://www.quora.com/What-would-happen-if-China-sold-all-of...

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Post by reissbaker »

DennisP wrote: post #70
reissbaker wrote: post #62

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To be honest, I think this is hurting China more than the US, and we're seeing that reflect in the Chinese economy. The US is also the stronger global superpower of the two for now — see, for example, Canada's arrest of Huawei's CFO under the direction of the American government, whereas I doubt Canada would arrest any American citizens at the behest of China — so I think the US has more of an ability to enforce its…

"This does more harm than good" and "this is hurting China more than the US" can both be true.

I mean, at the end of the day the question for the US is: does a trafe war hurt more than continued IP theft?

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Post by incognition »

kickopotomus wrote: post #68
forkandwait wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of us don't really think intellectual property is actually property and thar the notion of IP is, well, bullshit.

If that is the case, then how do you propose that any private organization (especially small ones) should operate?

There's still trade secrets. That's what you do when you can't patent something or don't think it provides sufficient protection.

That naturally asks how to keep trade secrets better? Manufacture domestically, air gapped servers, better pentesting etc. etc.

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Post by forapurpose »

pytyper2 wrote: post #8

Because they are likely working for institutions that are committing IP theft, in this case it's better to keep them honest, they don't have a culture that respects the rules and customs of other cultures (common law, contract law).

The word "culture" is often used as a euphemism when stereotyping - unsupported generalizations. What exactly does it mean here, and how can you back it up? Based on my experience in the world, it couldn't be said for anyone.

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Post by chillacy »

zxcvvcxz wrote: post #36
coldtea wrote: post #30

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The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich". And those that still benefit from the heads-tart due to their country/ancestors having done so, shouldn't play it holier than thou either. Not to mention the whole hypocrisy, since the US has used corporate espionage and actual spying on supposed "allies" corporations since forever and still does, pl…

>The logic is "if you've used it to become the richest nation on earth don't knock out others using it to become rich". Cool, so you have no issues with China, India, Africa accelerating their use of fossil fuels.

What’s the alternative for them, to not have a middle class lifestyle? Especially since the US is the historic greatest emitter of CO2, and per capita still one of the top? Or are we living beyond our means and unwilling to step down..
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