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Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Not really. People use Pocket. People don't use RSS in their browser.

Market research indicates that most people actually love RSS.

In their browser? Interesting. I would have thought people take the link to a reader/podcast-reader/torrent-app.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

> - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. These are forgivable in my opinion. At least this steps are somehow understandable. What I‘m really miffed about is their partnership with Cliqz. If Google is the devil then Cliqz is Beelzebub. I don‘t understand what they were thinking...

can you elaborate?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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> - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. and the removal of RSS support. So much for the champions of the Free Web!

It was removed because - pretty much nobody was using it; - it's pretty easy to reimplement as an extension. Championing the Free Web is harder if you also need to champion the dead web. edit "nobody" => "pretty much nobody"

Pocket is also easy to implement as an extension. In fact, it is an extension. But they bundled it with the browser.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Not really. People use Pocket. People don't use RSS in their browser.

Market research indicates that most people actually love RSS.

An implementation of RSS baked into the browser?

I'd be surprised. Do you have a source?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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> - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. These are forgivable in my opinion. At least this steps are somehow understandable. What I‘m really miffed about is their partnership with Cliqz. If Google is the devil then Cliqz is Beelzebub. I don‘t understand what they were thinking...

can you elaborate?

For some time last year, the Mozilla Corporation made it so a fraction of Firefox users got their entire browsing activity siphoned to a third party company, Cliqz, so they could bundle ads in the browser: https://blog.mozilla.org/press-uk/2017/10/06/testing-cliqz-i...

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Would someone who actually _knows_ the answer (I know this will not deter the HN-reckon but worth a try) be able to comment on if/why this security gap exists? Is it something fundamental to the different design choices, is it just which has had more test/resources thrown at it, and is the closing of the gap practical and/or on a roadmap?

The Chrome multiprocess isolation model is really good. Firefox devs have known this for ages (heck, there were demos of a version of Firefox 3.x with a similar model), but could not actually land this model for two reasons: - it would break all old-style extensions and users were unhappy about that; - it takes looooots of memory and users were unhappy about that, too. Now that Firefox has dropped all old-style exten…

Also, Firefox isolates the browser UI and Web content into separate processes now. So that all the code you download from the internet doesn't run in the browser process. Same is with plugins.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Yes. I like Pocket, but I can't see why it shouldn't be an extension that can be removed.

Intellectually, I agree, but - it actually doesn't hurt; - market research indicates that most people actually love it.

Literally 99.99% of Firefox users did not use the built in RSS support[1].

I love RSS! I also never used the built in Firefox RSS support because it was not very good. Mozilla also compiled a helpful list of alternative RSS readers for the 0.01% of users that used this feature and made it easy to export your feed list[2].

[1] https://www.gijsk.com/blog/2018/10/firefox-removes-core-prod...

[2] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/feed-reader-replacement...

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

What was the misstep with Pocket? I've been loving it since I discovered it thru Firefox.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would someone who actually _knows_ the answer (I know this will not deter the HN-reckon but worth a try) be able to comment on if/why this security gap exists? Is it something fundamental to the different design choices, is it just which has had more test/resources thrown at it, and is the closing of the gap practical and/or on a roadmap?

The Chrome multiprocess isolation model is really good. Firefox devs have known this for ages (heck, there were demos of a version of Firefox 3.x with a similar model), but could not actually land this model for two reasons: - it would break all old-style extensions and users were unhappy about that; - it takes looooots of memory and users were unhappy about that, too. Now that Firefox has dropped all old-style exten…

A browser written in Rust (which is probably Firefox's long term goal) should blow Chrome out of the water in terms of security, despite the massive efforts invested in that regard by Google to prop up Chrome's C++ code base.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, or Later You Won't Get a Choice (2014)

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Just so we can avoid rehashing the discussion whenever a post encouraging the use of Firefox is posted. - Yes, Mozilla is still the better browser when it comes to privacy. - Yes, Mozilla has made missteps with Pocket and Mr. Robot. - Yes, it is slow/resource heavy on certain Macs with non-default resolutions. Yes, Mozilla is working on a fix. - Yes, it has become really fast for most users after Quantum improvements…

What was the misstep with Pocket? I've been loving it since I discovered it thru Firefox.

That's cool. And? I use a lot of addons. Should they all be bundled because many people happen to love them too?
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