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Architecture astronauts take over

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Re: Architecture astronauts take over

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Post by Hexstream »

mariorz wrote: post #66
Hexstream wrote: post #65

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I think a career in CS is already sufficiently attractive, for monetary and other considerations, that those who have a great potential and a passion for it already choose to pursue it. So if we increase salaries a lot and this results in more people going into CS, I think it's pretty safe to say most of those additional recruits will be more in it for the money and less because that's what they should pursue, thus r…

It would obviously go up or stay the same, following your logic. Even if the proportion of good programmers out of CS programs decreases there is no reason the real total number would go down. [edit] If anything, the new influx of interested students would maybe counter a little the need for CS departments to dumb down the curriculum in order to stay above whatever arbitrary number. Maybe it would result in less Java…

I was speaking in relative terms, not absolute. I meant the the average quality of programmers would go down.

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

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Post by raganwald »

delano wrote: post #70
raganwald wrote: post #57

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I guess blog posts are often glass half-empty/half-full thingies. It's totally valid to feel that the annoyance of the empty part of the glass outweighs the enjoyment of the half-full part. On my good days, I feel a lot more charitable about such things than on my bad days. It's dogs are sages all over again: http://weblog.raganwald.com/2007/03/programmers-are-sages.ht...

I reread your comment with fresh eyes and I can see the sarcasm now. I kind of feel like the Mitch Hedberg joke: My friend said to me, "I think the weather's trippy." I said, "No, man, it's not the weather that's trippy, perhaps it is the way that we perceive it that is indeed trippy." Then I thought, "Man, I should've just said, 'Yeah.'" Anyway, enjoy the coffee!

+ a bushel of upmods for the Mitch Hedberg reference. Somehow, I think Mitch would have been a Bipolar Lisp Programmer if he was into programming...

http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

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Post by delano »

raganwald wrote: post #74
delano wrote: post #70

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I reread your comment with fresh eyes and I can see the sarcasm now. I kind of feel like the Mitch Hedberg joke: My friend said to me, "I think the weather's trippy." I said, "No, man, it's not the weather that's trippy, perhaps it is the way that we perceive it that is indeed trippy." Then I thought, "Man, I should've just said, 'Yeah.'" Anyway, enjoy the coffee!

+ a bushel of upmods for the Mitch Hedberg reference. Somehow, I think Mitch would have been a Bipolar Lisp Programmer if he was into programming... http://www.lambdassociates.org/blog/bipolar.htm

That's a great essay. Funny, sad, and true.

"Veteran programmers of many years with obvious ability and talent go down with a fit of the blues. The intelligence is directed inwards in mournful contemplation of the inadequacies of their favourite programming language."

I actually laughed out loud.

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

I don't read this guy that much, and (to the best of my knowledge) I haven't griped about his style.

I like Groove, at least until Microsoft bought it. I use it everyday and it rocks. Whether or not something is over-architected or not is beside the point: does it deliver value for my needs. Groove does.

You can make the case that it does a lot of stuff that I don't care about. So what?

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