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Re: Architecture astronauts take over

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I actually found the most interesting part of the article towards the end: Joel's really upset that MSFT and GOOG are picking up all the top CS grads, despite Joel's great internships and Aeron chairs. And, he's also upset that the starting salary for a CS grad is now pushing 6 figures. I'd actually wager that the true cream of the crop is primarily interested in starting their own companies and cashing out early. It…

"there will be a lot more people going into CS as a major"

Sadly, increasing quantity will probably have little impact on increasing quality.

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

#52
The file syncing issue CANNOT be addressed effectively as a proprietary, closed system. Maybe there are companies out there who have the fortitude to create some sort of framework that can remain open enough to engender enough pan-device support to make it useful to real people who happen not to want to be stuck in the windows (or mac, or whatever) environment on all there electronic devices.

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

#53
post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds more like a dig on their programming experience.

I was trying to satarize all the people elsewhere complaining about the last paragraph. As you can see, I am not a very funny writer. I like the post very much. His point about Lotus taking over MSFT reminded me of Jamie Zawinski's story about Collabra taking over Netscape: "Our punishment for that success was that management saw this general-purpose mail reader and said, "since this mail reader is popular with norma…

I also enjoyed the vast majority of the article, but I have to admit the last paragraph was annoying. It just seems like everything Joel writes these days (since he started his Road Show) is Submarine.[1]

I realize everyone is going to talk about what they are doing, and Joel does Fog Creek, but I can't help getting that greasy used-car salesman feeling. I don't own Joel, and he owes me nothing, but it still makes me sad, because I used to enjoy his blog so much.

Really it just seems like that article should have been two. One about architecture astronauts, which was quite insightful and amusing, and one about the annoyance of competing on salary with Google/MSFT. Putting them together just makes Article #2 looking like the hidden motive for Article #1, which makes it seem like he didn't really mean the stuff he said for #1, he just said it to segue into #2.

And as for his salary issues: I thought Joel's whole deal was that he hired rockstars and treated them like Made Men. Salary isn't the only component of that, and probably not even the most important. Complaining about bigger players offering higher salaries is like complaining that some people are born richer. Complaining about it gets you nothing. You don't compete with someone by playing to their strength. You compete by playing to their weakness. All he has to do is keep trumpeting about his sweet office space and small team/fun environment, and he will have plenty of rockstars.

Oh, and thanks for the JWZ link. I love his stuff!

[1] If anyone doesn't know what I mean by Submarine... here ya go: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

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post #51

I actually found the most interesting part of the article towards the end: Joel's really upset that MSFT and GOOG are picking up all the top CS grads, despite Joel's great internships and Aeron chairs. And, he's also upset that the starting salary for a CS grad is now pushing 6 figures. I'd actually wager that the true cream of the crop is primarily interested in starting their own companies and cashing out early. It…

"there will be a lot more people going into CS as a major" Sadly, increasing quantity will probably have little impact on increasing quality.

I think it will have a big, negative impact on increasing quality.

Re: Architecture astronauts take over

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was trying to satarize all the people elsewhere complaining about the last paragraph. As you can see, I am not a very funny writer. I like the post very much. His point about Lotus taking over MSFT reminded me of Jamie Zawinski's story about Collabra taking over Netscape: "Our punishment for that success was that management saw this general-purpose mail reader and said, "since this mail reader is popular with norma…

I also enjoyed the vast majority of the article, but I have to admit the last paragraph was annoying. It just seems like everything Joel writes these days (since he started his Road Show) is Submarine.[1] I realize everyone is going to talk about what they are doing, and Joel does Fog Creek, but I can't help getting that greasy used-car salesman feeling. I don't own Joel, and he owes me nothing, but it still makes me…

I guess blog posts are often glass half-empty/half-full thingies. It's totally valid to feel that the annoyance of the empty part of the glass outweighs the enjoyment of the half-full part.

On my good days, I feel a lot more charitable about such things than on my bad days. It's dogs are sages all over again:

http://weblog.raganwald.com/2007/03/programmers-are-sages.ht...

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