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Re: New Evidence USCIS Policies Increased Denials Of H-1B Visas

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Post by akhilcacharya » Fri, Jul 27, 2018, 6:20 AM UTC

gaius wrote: post #43

akhilcacharya wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? There is a legitimate reason for having a high hiring bar. Obviously this doesn’t make ageism or discrimination acceptable of course.

There is a legitimate reason for having a high hiring bar. The “bar” is not representative at all of the nature of the work is why. It’s artificially high in order to eliminate a glut of candidates early in the process. I remember when there was a genuine shortage of tech workers - the dotcom boom. Hiring and compensation reflected that there was high demand and competition to hire. Outside of a very few niches now,…

>Outside of a very few niches now, the economics (law of supply and demand) simply don’t show it.

Undergrads (not me though) can make $225k out of school now easily, is that not showing it?

Re: New Evidence USCIS Policies Increased Denials Of H-1B Visas

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Post by candiodari » Fri, Jul 27, 2018, 8:58 AM UTC

amf12 wrote: post #53

__sr__ wrote: post #34

Broadly speaking, there are two types of H1B applicants[1]: 1. Applicants being hired directly by US companies like Amazon, Google, Microsoft etc. These applicants have either worked for a while at one of their offshore subsidiaries or were hired directly after a thorough interview process. They are typically paid on par with their US counterparts. These applicants are usually very good at what they do — regardless o…

> I don’t know exactly how this can be solved completely. One thing I don't understand is why there is no ranking of all the H1-B applications? Score and sort all the applications based on some metrics like education, compensation, work exp, company, etc. Currently, applications are picked using a lottery. This does not make sense for an employment based visa! I know so many good engineers from Amazon, Microsoft, Goo…

You did read the part about outsourcing companies faking all of these credentials, right ? To the point of having "senior c++ developers" that don't know what a compiler is.

But even if not faked, how would you compare people from wildly different institutions and countries ?

Re: New Evidence USCIS Policies Increased Denials Of H-1B Visas

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Post by HNNewer » Fri, Jul 27, 2018, 9:16 AM UTC

__sr__ wrote: post #63

HNNewer wrote: post #33

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this. I've worked with C++ "senior" engineers who weren't understanding compiler errors because they've written 2 main() [!!!] functions in code

So how exactly were they doing their job? Didn’t their manager have anything to say about the non-delivery of the project?

in fact, after that huge error and many other related to his code, he didn't get any contract renewal and was kicked out.

I don't blame him because of his roots, but I've seen a common pattern in faking skills so much that they get a job, but failing after a short period, discovering the reality

Re: New Evidence USCIS Policies Increased Denials Of H-1B Visas

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Post by runamok » Sat, Jul 28, 2018, 11:55 PM UTC

dmode wrote: post #65

gaius wrote: post #50

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Outside of a handful of companies in Silly Valley tech is just another office job and less well paid than law, accounting, MBAs and most other professionals. No one ever says there’s a desperate shortage of corporate lawyers and we need special visas to import more!

If lawyers and doctors were in abundance, their wages will reflect that

Lawyers' salaries have actually gone bimodal and there is a glut.

One ref: https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/05/09/the-lawyer-bu...

Re: New Evidence USCIS Policies Increased Denials Of H-1B Visas

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Post by amf12 » Sun, Jul 29, 2018, 8:11 AM UTC

candiodari wrote: post #72

amf12 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t know exactly how this can be solved completely. One thing I don't understand is why there is no ranking of all the H1-B applications? Score and sort all the applications based on some metrics like education, compensation, work exp, company, etc. Currently, applications are picked using a lottery. This does not make sense for an employment based visa! I know so many good engineers from Amazon, Microsoft, Goo…

You did read the part about outsourcing companies faking all of these credentials, right ? To the point of having "senior c++ developers" that don't know what a compiler is. But even if not faked, how would you compare people from wildly different institutions and countries ?

> You did read the part about outsourcing companies faking all of these credentials, right ?

Yeah, I agree that's a challenge. But I am sure there could be some metric buckets like compensation bucket based on the location, employers market cap bucket( granted this could again be unfair to certain companies).

> But even if not faked, how would you compare people from wildly different institutions and countries ?

US Educational Institutes and immigration agencies of other countries have already solved this problem. There are institutions like WES which do a GPA and educational credentials evaluation.